Chromatica w/out BloodPop is better

[TylerMedeiros 807]

1 hour ago, Red said:

I’m tired of this fanfiction  Gaga literally scrapped almost all her songs made in 2015 cause she didn’t like them anymore, what makes you think she wouldn’t do the same if she wasn’t vibing with the final Chromatica? Why can’t we fathom that Gaga is the boss? Why is it so hard to accept that BloodPop did not do anything Gaga did not want him to do?

She just recently said that she felt for the first time in her entire career that she was FINALLY IN CHARGE.

 

That’s where she’s at now. Where she is mentally at. And it’s showing. So yeah, I personally can see that being true. She’s always been in charge but she’s never been fully NO I AM DOING WHAT I WANT PERIOD! in a long time.

 

YASSS GAGA!!!!

[Melania K Trump 6,289]

The demo's sound like what they are: demos. They are unfinished renders of a concept of each song that is designed to be polished at a later stage. We have no proof, except for Babylon, that Bloodpop was not involved from beginning to end for the production of each and every one of the songs on Chromatica. Anything said to the contrary is just baseless speculation. You don't have to go on a tirade signaling a certain person out just because in your subjective opinion you didn't like the way the album sounded in the end.

[skedaddleBItCh 2,800]

The only better demo is probably Free Woman, that's it lol

[Defmix100 6,125]

7 hours ago, Nagini said:

It's actually wild people are defending choruses like: 

"I-I'll be your Enigma." End of chorus, beat drop.

"Replay re-re-play eh eh." End of chorus, beat drop.

"I want your stupid love, love." End of chorus, beat drop.

"I'm a free woman, free." End of chorus, beat drop.

"Rain. On. Me" End of chorus, beat drop.

"Heard a sign." End of chorus, beat drop.

I don't even think it's a "bad" album per se, but definitely some of Gaga's and Bloodpop's weakest work. 

I don't like beat drops much in general anyway but most of those songs you listed have actual Choruses you're talking about the post chorus (except Stupid Love)

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Bloodclot ruins everything he touches

[AiDi 39]

10 hours ago, Red said:

Why can’t we fathom that Gaga is the boss?

 

She is until she's not. Look at Richie situation. She's the boss but she let this situation happen for years. And I really feel she recorded Chromatica, because everyone wanted another album, maybe she felt the pressure. But it very generic, very not-gaga. She didn't care about, that's what I get from the final product. 

[Controversiaga 9,945]

10 hours ago, Red said:

I’m tired of this fanfiction  Gaga literally scrapped almost all her songs made in 2015 cause she didn’t like them anymore, what makes you think she wouldn’t do the same if she wasn’t vibing with the final Chromatica? Why can’t we fathom that Gaga is the boss? Why is it so hard to accept that BloodPop did not do anything Gaga did not want him to do?

Because Gaga literally said in the NYT podcast interview that during this time she was not in a good place and that she was not the boss and she said during this time she did not make her best work because she let other people take over. She said now she finally is the boss and mayhem was all on her terms. 

[Ziggy 11,011]

Look I’ll say this: I thunk chromatica is fine but she said it herself she wasn’t writing her best here. And she wasn’t. At the end of the day it’s her music and she also was not doing as well or making as well as she could have been (depression, woo!). Bloodpop did give a lot of pop where idk if we needed that but gaga also wrote less than stellar songs and tbf sojourned into a sound she doesn’t know (she even said how much she had to learn about house) and when she does that she typically tries to pop-ify it. This is not bloodpop’s fault exclusively: it’s also the result of Gaga being in the “how do I reinvent myself?” Headspace that she’s been talking about abandoning for mayhem.

[Ziggy 11,011]

1 hour ago, AiDi said:

 

She is until she's not. Look at Richie situation. She's the boss but she let this situation happen for years. And I really feel she recorded Chromatica, because everyone wanted another album, maybe she felt the pressure. But it very generic, very not-gaga. She didn't care about, that's what I get from the final product. 

Same. She felt ASIB pressure to “return” and it was lowkey crippling and she was happy with the music but knew it wasn’t her absolute best. It’s still good, though!

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[Ziggy 11,011]

10 hours ago, TylerMedeiros said:

She just recently said that she felt for the first time in her entire career that she was FINALLY IN CHARGE.

 

That’s where she’s at now. Where she is mentally at. And it’s showing. So yeah, I personally can see that being true. She’s always been in charge but she’s never been fully NO I AM DOING WHAT I WANT PERIOD! in a long time.

 

YASSS GAGA!!!!

But I don’t think that’s about bloodpop bc why do that hahaha I think it’s about Richie’s comments and also the very fact that she can’t be ****ed w/ anymore bc she has Michael’s protection via his connections and incredible f u money. She never bad mouths producers. I think she appreciates bloodpop’s and her collaboration but knows the real value was how it helped her in her life not the music which she seemed a bit disconnected from 

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12 hours ago, culturalbaptism said:

She was not well at the time, she needed someone who isn't a "yes man". There's a reason Mayhem is better. Michael truly made her see the light, what BloodPop failed to do. Justice for Free Woman Demo.

So is he a yes man who just approves anything gaga says and lets her do whatever bullshit she wants without questioning, or is he an evil controlling producer who's gaga let make whatever he wanted cause she was not in the right mental space to make decisions on her own? lmao pick a side, you don't see your contradictions and its just too funny...

[MadArchitect 716]

10 hours ago, Nagini said:

It's actually wild people are defending choruses like: 

"I-I'll be your Enigma." End of chorus, beat drop.

"Replay re-re-play eh eh." End of chorus, beat drop.

"I want your stupid love, love." End of chorus, beat drop.

"I'm a free woman, free." End of chorus, beat drop.

"Rain. On. Me" End of chorus, beat drop.

"Heard a sign." End of chorus, beat drop.

I don't even think it's a "bad" album per se, but definitely some of Gaga's and Bloodpop's weakest work. 

this is such a reductionist way of looking at writting and composing, in electronic dance music genres, which is what inspired Chromatica the most, this is a very common way of composing, there is mostly not even what people consider choruses, just building ups and beat drops arraged in different ways, tension and release, and Chromatica does that differenly in every song, just because a song doesn't have a proper chorus doesn't mean is less than your common pop song with a big and defined chorus

[LG2008 4,306]

13 hours ago, Dayman said:

I mean. That may not be what happened. But she has made it very clear she was kinda disconnected from the process. Letting demos from multiple producers happen. Trying to hide out on her porch and being dragged back into the studio. Writing and wanting 1000 Doves as a ballad but being told it should be a dance song. Her showing Blood what she was working on and him ripping into it and saying it was bad and inauthentic and making her cry before starting the work on Chromatica. It just overall did not seem like a great process from what we do know…

Looking back at this...  

Bloodpop should've let her just write whatever she wanted, I'm sure some of it still ended up in the album. Honestly, how could he tell it was inauthentic or bad? I might be wrong but didn't someone say that Happy Mistake was written during the Chroma sessions? That far from inauthentic and bad

I think with Gaga, producers are there to support not take over and I feel Bloodpop took over. And he watered down Chromatica way too much imo... I think it's way too polished for what the process was and what Gaga wanted to share. I still like it but it could've been way better  911 is probably the most experimental thing in that record and the demo goes even harder

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[culturalbaptism 2,657]

1 hour ago, LG2008 said:

Looking back at this...  

Bloodpop should've let her just write whatever she wanted, I'm sure some of it still ended up in the album. Honestly, how could he tell it was inauthentic or bad? I might be wrong but didn't someone say that Happy Mistake was written during the Chroma sessions? That far from inauthentic and bad

I think with Gaga, producers are there to support not take over and I feel Bloodpop took over. And he watered down Chromatica way too much imo... I think it's way too polished for what the process was and what Gaga wanted to share. I still like it but it could've been way better  911 is probably the most experimental thing in that record and the demo goes even harder

Exactly. There’s a reason BloodPop is OUT of the team and not coming back, ever.

Edited 7 minutes ago by culturalbaptism