MOT 2,711 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 49 minutes ago, Nycboy said: Very valid counterpoint. Perhaps Todd starts editing Joker in April 2023, and by June 2023, Gaga starts to realize the direction the film is taking and decides that the best path forward is to create Harlequin? Timelines. The downsizing of Gaga's role wasn't all in the editing I think. Gaga sang HMH at the Oscars, and that performance was will she won't she, because she was filming. That would have been in March. So I think it's reasonable to assume that rewrites in trailers were taking place before June and she would already have known what direction things were going. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOT 2,711 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 hour ago, NATAH said: it's a bruno mars song that he got Gaga on, end of story Absolutely no shade, but I gotta ask the question. What is your evidence for that ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Flower 3,825 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Touch grass. This is a lot. Drop it 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 42,899 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 20 minutes ago, MOT said: Absolutely no shade, but I gotta ask the question. What is your evidence for that ? when Gaga talked about it in some interview or something mother, what must i do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 10,760 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 4 hours ago, holy scheisse said: The narrative since 2014 her trying to showcase/prove her talent… we already know she’s talented Well…in a movie where you expected to be featured more I think it’s somewhat apt here Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOT 2,711 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 6 minutes ago, NATAH said: when Gaga talked about it in some interview or something Ok. And that's all I had as well. I had been assuming that it's Bruno's song because she said it is. But .... it mightn't be true. Why would she spin it that way ? I don't know, but she might have her reasons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun li 2,632 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Yes I believe in this. All very sus just like The Cure being released before ASIB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chun li 2,632 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 4 hours ago, MOT said: The OP makes a good point imo. Gaga randomly releases a song called DIE With A SMILE a couple of weeks before JFAD and it has no connection to the movie ? I'm just not having that. Also, haven't seen the movie yet, but I gather there's a lot of smoking ... why was she smoking in the video ? Very odd and random if it's not a nod to JFAD. Literallyyyyy...!!! And the 70s costumes and aesthetics matching the ones of the duets in the film, her makeup reminiscent of the joker one too. Feels like she wrote DWAS and gave her ideas and the director didn't want her music/presence outshining everything else 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borisapillar 8,277 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 My theory is that Gaga was very upset with how things were going and I’m sure Michael heard a LOT about it. And then he suggested she take matters into her own hands and make an album of her own to have something she’d be proud of to promote once the mess of a movie came out. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOT 2,711 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 20 minutes ago, chun li said: Literallyyyyy...!!! And the 70s costumes and aesthetics matching the ones of the duets in the film, her makeup reminiscent of the joker one too. Feels like she wrote DWAS and gave her ideas and the director didn't want her music/presence outshining everything else It is even possible that the song was filmed. Hilarious then that she releases it and it smashes. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hELXIG 41,770 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 I was thinking this myself. Gaga was like aint no way I'm letting them think my singing is that bad and I do believe part of the not being able to let the character go is possibly because she worked hard on the character and didn't get to fully express everything she worked on (not because of how the film turned out, but in general). It's also a really smart move because no matter how the film went over with the public, she's already put out something that proves her own talent. She got ahead of the public's response to the film whether it would be good or bad. People might not like the film, but they really can't deny her multitude of talents (well some misogynists who think women have no value without sex appeal will, but they don't count. They're a subclass of human) I'll be myself until they fūcking close the coffin. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir 14,984 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Love this theory, totally agree and I'm glad she handled it this way... imagine ARTPOPGa dealing with this heat again, DWAS was sooooo far JFAD in my opinion Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LG2008 3,079 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) 6 hours ago, elijahfan said: I think her saying she wasn't done with Lee is a polite way of saying they did her dirty with this film. I do agree with this theory, the motivations behind Harlequin became abundantly clear after seeing the film. Like... imagine if we didn't have Harlequin to enjoy right now? I feel like Warner Bros might take it as unfair competition as it directly clashes with the movie's soundtrack that many Gaga fans, including myself, won't be choosing to purchase over Harlequin... Then again, they might be getting a slice of the paycheck. I'm just buying the soundtrack because the cover art is really beautiful and I love the movie version of Folie à Deux. I wish they used the full song Talking about the song... Does it has chances of winning an Oscar? I really hope so because it's really beautiful. When I heard it was a waltz I was ready to hate it but then I listened to it for the first time and omg! I'm glad she decided to release Harlequin. They really did her dirty and as you said I'm sure she knew Edited October 6 by LG2008 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrL 35 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Omg I was thinking something similar! What really made think more about it, was the article about her private gig. It was described as energetic and kind of manic. While we know Gaga is charismatic, strong performer and a rare singer, something about the article made me think of her performing freely, with all of her (he)art and we’ll watch the performance after watching JFAD… like it meant to add on the movie or even complete her role, like an extension of Gaga in the movie, but in the right and full form. What she brings with harlequin is the whole package in an album, she literally acting with her singing, changing tones and effects…. Again, in a way that maybe was cut out of the movie 🤔 so a performance of the soundtrack/harlequin+DWAS that may be her best and most energetic one sounds like more than random… Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) I just can't at some of y'all thinking Gaga is in the editing room for her movies. Because that happened even once to an actor ever. It doesn't work that way... Edited October 6 by Didymus 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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