Joker: Folie À Deux opens with 7m domestic

[NCgaga 4,278]

I knew the making the joker a musical was a bad idea. It never made sense- and the straights that normally see this type of movie are going to overwhelm it with bad reviews. 

[elijahfan 24,869]

Just now, Borisapillar said:

Of course they are 

... are they, tho? Usually, the advertised budget of a movie doesn't include marketing costs as production and distribution are two separate things. So unless clearly stated, I doubt that number is production and marketing costs combined. Hence my astonishment at the price tag.

[elijahfan 24,869]

3 minutes ago, NCgaga said:

I knew the making the joker a musical was a bad idea. It never made sense- and the straights that normally see this type of movie are going to overwhelm it with bad reviews. 

It was actually a good concept, the issue is they chose not to commit to it, so in the end the musical numbers just feel gratuitous and random.

[Borisapillar 8,195]

6 minutes ago, elijahfan said:

... are they, tho? Usually, the advertised budget of a movie doesn't include marketing costs as production and distribution are two separate things. So unless clearly stated, I doubt that number is production and marketing costs combined. Hence my astonishment at the price tag.

Yes I’m astounded by it too which is why I am assuming it includes the crazy marketing plan…you might be right though 

[elijahfan 24,869]

4 minutes ago, Borisapillar said:

Yes I’m astounded by it too which is why I am assuming it includes the crazy marketing plan…you might be right though 

Even if marketing was like $50 million out of that number and the movie cost $150 million, it would still be an incomprehensible number.

I know inflation happened, but 25 years ago it took less than $100 million to make a Lord of the Rings film. Kinda puts things into perspective.

Edited October 5 by elijahfan

[nATAH 42,315]

3 hours ago, Red said:

lol of course she did, I’m just being ironic about the fact this is her second film in a row with a messy script 

in her defence, she has no idea what parts are going to be cut later by the editing team so a script may seem solid at first only to be butchered after filming

[Borisapillar 8,195]

15 minutes ago, NATAH said:

in her defence, she has no idea what parts are going to be cut later by the editing team so a script may seem solid at first only to be butchered after filming

They don’t know how this works lol

[Borisapillar 8,195]

26 minutes ago, elijahfan said:

Even if marketing was like $50 million out of that number and the movie cost $150 million, it would still be an incomprehensible number.

I know inflation happened, but 25 years ago it took less than $100 million to make a Lord of the Rings film. Kinda puts things into perspective.

The salaries for the stars alone put a huge dent in the budget. Bottom line is they thought this film would be a mega hit and poured an obscene amount of money into it. Obviously a huge misjudgment.

[Emvee 7,633]

This is the movie Joaquin Phoenix should have gotten “cold feet” about. It would have saved everyone from this embarrassment 

[GagaTheExplorer 2,710]

I saw the movie yesterday, and it sorta makes sense 🥲

[Killa 15,535]

Lol im going tomorrow and there was no booked ticket yet

[chromaticainmyhead 6,348]

5 hours ago, Red said:

Lessons to take:

Gaga should read scripts before accepting roles

Gaga can't possibly be blamed for this.

If anyone should take responsibility it's the director for letting his lead do whatever he wanted to. They literally scrapped scenes and rewrote them on their own in Phoenix' trailer.

[Pennywise 35,841]

4 hours ago, ThisGuyTony said:

ASIB opening day: $15.8M

HoG opening day: $4.2M

JFAD opening day: $7M

At least we went up 

Well, shows us what we already knew: ASIB smashed not Gaga yup yup 

[Defmix100 5,935]

2 hours ago, chromaticainmyhead said:

Gaga can't possibly be blamed for this.

If anyone should take responsibility it's the director for letting his lead do whatever he wanted to. They literally scrapped scenes and rewrote them on their own in Phoenix' trailer.

I heard someone say in a review there was a rumor Todd was sabotaging it because he never wanted to make a sequel (similar things were said about the latest Matrix movie too)

[StrawberryBlond 14,087]

It could be worse, I'm looking for positives here. If a movie has to make around 2.5 times its budget in order to break even and this took $190-200 million to make (I'm still bewildered as to where the hell that went) then we're talking about $475-500 million to break even? This is going to be a nail biter. I just want it to do better than The Flash ($271 million) and The Marvels ($206 million), which were the 2 comic book mega bombs of last year. As long as it does better than them, the haters can't make that much fun of it.

4 hours ago, Borisapillar said:

Yes I’m astounded by it too which is why I am assuming it includes the crazy marketing plan…you might be right though 

Movies never include the promo and advertising. That's why movies have to make well above their budget in order to be profitable. A movie of this budget, in order to be a true profitable hit, usually has to make around $650-700 million. That's going to be a big ask, which is why I'm content with just breaking even.

54 minutes ago, Defmix100 said:

I heard someone say in a review there was a rumor Todd was sabotaging it because he never wanted to make a sequel (similar things were said about the latest Matrix movie too)

It's a theory but I'm not sure. I couldn't make something purposely bad, my pride and ego just couldn't handle it. And major money's on the line. If it flops disastrously, it could impair Todd's future as a director and harm his reputation, so it's hard for me to believe this could be the case.