Gaga's Israeli comments resurfaces

[Didymus 34,378]

2 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Billie was pretty much aksed to wear a pin for ceasefire and she did, that's all she did to the best of my knowledge. She never issued a statement on this issue.

The Weeknd, Phoenix etc had their names in a letter calling for a ceasefire.

If that's what you want her to do, sure. But can't deny the fact what those artists did is very very bare minimum and has little to no impact on anything.

The Weeknd donated millions of dollars to the people of Gaza and worked with the World Food Programme to feed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.

Macklemore made headline news with his support for student protests and his criticism of silence in the music industry about this genocide. His pro-Palestine song is going viral rn lol. Angelina and Susan have been posting about this for years. Marcia friggin Cross has basically dedicated her entire social media platforms to Gaza. Yes, some of the other people did the bare minimum but at least they did something.

It's also worth pointing out that people in the queer communities feel especially connected to the Palestinian freedom movement. Look at the Drag Race queens. There's winners of the franchise that have been talking about Palestine for years. This isn't some niche issue, and it's actually easy for artists who have large amounts of queer support to speak out and get praised.

To quote the beautiful Queer Artists for Palestine platform:

"Our community has a role to play.

Our queer Palestinian siblings have asked us to stand firmly with them in their call for dignity and self-determination. This includes challenging Israel's whitewashing, or “pinkwashing,” of its brutal military occupation, by exploiting queer performers and voices to cover up decades of right-wing, violent, and racist policies against Palestinians. Now more than ever, we must be clear: queer people are no friends to Israeli apartheid. We use our voices and our platforms to oppose systemic violence and inequality – against Palestinians, and against all people everywhere."

[Dennis 8,390]

31 minutes ago, Didymus said:

To quote the beautiful Queer Artists for Palestine platform:

"Our community has a role to play.

Our queer Palestinian siblings have asked us to stand firmly with them in their call for dignity and self-determination. This includes challenging Israel's whitewashing, or “pinkwashing,” of its brutal military occupation, by exploiting queer performers and voices to cover up decades of right-wing, violent, and racist policies against Palestinians. Now more than ever, we must be clear: queer people are no friends to Israeli apartheid. We use our voices and our platforms to oppose systemic violence and inequality – against Palestinians, and against all people everywhere."

Ok, but as a gay fan of Gaga, and as someone who grew up listening to Born This Way, influencing my views about my identity, I can tell you I would find it very very offensive if Gaga involves herself with groups that find attenuating circumstances for Hamas or fly Hezbollah flags (just the other day I saw that in Princeton University, they used Hezbollah flag, the leader of Hezbollah calls for the killing of gay people fyi).

The "Queers for Palestine" have their own issues in the sense that they tolerate support for homophobic middle eastern organizations so long that they're anti-Israel. And by homophobic, I mean in a deadly way. These are entities that imprison and execute gay people just for being gay. Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah etc..

I'd rather see Gaga walk her own lane on this particular issue. And if she decides to speak out against it, she needs to do so in a way that is morally sound and distance herself as much as possible for people who think it's ok to support Houthis, Hamas, or Hezbollah just because they're anti-Israel.

Edit: here's a pic I found from the example I mentioned above

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[Didymus 34,378]

14 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Ok, but as a gay fan of Gaga, and as someone who grew up listening to Born This Way, influencing my views about my identity, I can tell you I would find it very very offensive if Gaga involves herself with groups that find attenuating circumstances for Hamas or fly Hezbollah flags (just the other day I saw that in Princeton University, they used Hezbollah flag, the leader of Hezbollah calls for the killing of gay people fyi).

The "Queers for Palestine" have their own issues in the sense that they tolerate support for homophobic middle eastern organizations so long that they're anti-Israel. And by homophobic, I mean in a deadly way. These are entities that imprison and execute gay people just for being gay. Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah etc..

I'd rather see Gaga walk her own lane on this particular issue. And if she decides to speak out against it, she needs to do so in a way that is morally sound and distance herself as much as possible for people who think it's ok to support Houthis, Hamas, or Hezbollah just because they're anti-Israel.

Edit: here's a pic I found from the example I mentioned above

Lol queer discourse about Palestine and homophobia is quite sophisticated and not at all defined by the way you’re painting it here.

Nor does this have anything to ****ing do with calling for a ceasefire and the end of illegal Israeli occupation.

[Ronlop 6,882]

32 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Nor does this have anything to ****ing do with calling for a ceasefire and the end of illegal Israeli occupation.

A balanced and responsible use of influence would involve calling for a ceasefire, an end to the occupation, the release of the 133 hostages, acknowledgment of the mass rape that occurred on Oct 7th, and recognition of Hamas as a terrorist organization that needs to be eradicated. 

If one genuinely cares about human lives, it's essential to consider all the innocent lives involved in the conflict without neglecting any. However, posting something that aims to raise awareness of the full picture would guarantee backlash from either sides.

And that's why celebrities who simply take a more nuanced approach are probably hesitant to post about it. 

The reality is that this situation isn't one-sided, as both sides had the opportunity to resolve it yesterday if they wanted to. And it's not just the Israeli side that's preventing a ceasefire from occurring. It's also Hamas' unreasonable demands, such as demanding full control over selecting convicted murderers they want released from Israeli prisons in exchange for releasing innocent hostages. This raises numerous moral implications often ignored by a generic "Ceasefire" post and a one-sided blame directed solely at the Israeli side.

 

[KeepOnSwimming 682]

The Europeans went to the new world. A place they never have been before. Israelites (as Jews have been called for thousands of years) basically went home. They originated from that very area, whereas no European originated from America and migrated back. What about these two is similar? 

I am just asking, because your comment is a reaction to someone talking about the founding history of USA. And in your answer you said they are similar...how? 

9 hours ago, River said:

the shitty US history (which is basically similar to Israel lol)

[Didymus 34,378]

3 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

acknowledgment of the mass rape that occurred on Oct 7th

There is literally no evidence for this. Reports about this have all been either debunked, corrected or pulled. So much for your "balanced and responsible" take. Embarrassing af.

3 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

If one genuinely cares about human lives, it's essential to consider all the innocent lives involved in the conflict without neglecting any. However, posting something that aims to raise awareness of the full picture would guarantee backlash from either sides.

Again, patently untrue. The full picture is that the Israeli occupation and apartheid regime is hurting both Israeli and Palestinian civilians but particularly the latter. What's the problem with that?

What's your basis for concluding that pro-Palestine people show no consideration for innocent Israelis? There is literally no connection to make. Another propaganda narrative to dissuade people from talking about the actual full picture, which is that Netanyahu is treating the entire Israeli population as hostages while he endangers their lives by pursuing his illegal settlement expansions and by having deliberately lobbied to keep Hamas in power to sabotage peace plans.

Hamas is his co-creation. When are you gonna start talking about that?

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23 hours ago, Obobo said:

Great…let’s push traffic on a fairly irrelevant video. I swear Gaga’s biggest enemy isn’t her but us…

Little monsters torture mayyy

[Dennis 8,390]

21 minutes ago, Didymus said:

There is literally no evidence for this. Reports about this have all been either debunked, corrected or pulled. So much for your "balanced and responsible" take. Embarrassing af.

This is exactly why Gaga SHOULD remain silent on this. The way y'all continue to engage in rape apologia. So even if she condemns this people will come for her.

The U.N came out with a report detailing MULTIPLE instances of sexual assault.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-hamas-gaza-fe1a35767a63666fe4dc1c97e397177e

Yeah Gaga should stay away from this topic, seeing that even on this forum people are denying basic facts.

"till it happens to you (except if you're israeli woman)" I guess? 

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[Ronlop 6,882]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

There is literally no evidence for this. Reports about this have all been either debunked, corrected or pulled. So much for your "balanced and responsible" take. Embarrassing af.

The UN issued an official report confirming the discovery of evidence that it happened and that it's still on-going. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-team-says-rape-gang-rape-likely-occurred-during-hamas-attack-israel-2024-03-04/

And the New York Times as well. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

Yet self-proclaimed feminists around the world, including Gaga, have been silent about it. I'm assuming it's out of fear from expressing their full and nuanced view on the situation as I mentioned above. 

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

What's your basis for concluding that pro-Palestine people show no consideration for innocent Israelis? There is literally no connection to make. Another propaganda narrative to dissuade people from talking about the actual full picture, which is that Netanyahu is treating the entire Israeli population as hostages while he endangers their lives by pursuing his illegal settlement expansions and by having deliberately lobbied to keep Hamas in power to sabotage peace plans.

Hamas is his co-creation. When are you gonna start talking about that?

I never said that all of the pro-Palestinian protesters show no consideration for innocent Israelis. I highlighted that the predominant focus tends to place blame on Israel without adequately considering Hamas' role in the conflict,  even though realistically, both parties should be under equal pressure to agree to the deal. The demonization of the Israeli people has reached a point where a lot of pro-Palestinians refuse to even acknowledge the rape incidents that occurred on Oct 7th, as you just proved above.

The debate over who created Hamas doesn't change the fact that Hamas is currently involved in the ceasefire negotiations. And as a party in these negotiations, Hamas is also posing obstacles to reaching an agreement. Hamas actively disregards both Egyptian and US negotiation proposals, making unreasonable demands that impede progress toward a ceasefire.

So a celebrity post demanding consideration for all the factors involved would likely provoke more backlash compared to a one-sided call for a ceasefire or "Free Palestine". So I'm just assuming this may be a lot of celebrities' position on the matter, and they are simply hesitant to express their complete perspective on the situation. 

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[River 104,423]

39 minutes ago, KeepOnSwimming said:

The Europeans went to the new world. A place they never have been before. Israelites (as Jews have been called for thousands of years) basically went home. They originated from that very area, whereas no European originated from America and migrated back. What about these two is similar? 

I am just asking, because your comment is a reaction to someone talking about the founding history of USA. And in your answer you said they are similar...how? 

If we go by the whole bible history, the 12 tribes (they were called Hebrews first then Israelites) conquered some parts of Canaan after the alleged Ancient Egypt slavery (which has zero evidences that it really happened except the Jewish bible), so they were never been the indigenous people of this land, moreover, the Jews came from the Judah tribe, the founders of the Judah kingdom (the land was divided to 2 kingdoms at some point, Israel in the north and Judah in the south), so the Jews had a very small land after all.

So that's why it's a similar history, the only differences of the conquests are one did it because they are white, strong and wanted more land while the others created a spiritual narrative (and we can even say, a made up a story) that the god Jehova promised them this land.

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45 minutes ago, River said:

If we go by the whole bible history, the 12 tribes (they were called Hebrews first then Israelites) conquered some parts of Canaan after the alleged Ancient Egypt slavery (which has zero evidences that it really happened except the Jewish bible), so they were never been the indigenous people of this land, moreover, the Jews came from the Judah tribe, the founders of the Judah kingdom (the land was divided to 2 kingdoms at some point, Israel in the north and Judah in the south), so the Jews had a very small land after all.

So that's why it's a similar history, the only differences of the conquests are one did it because they are white, strong and wanted more land while the others created a spiritual narrative (and we can even say, a made up a story) that the god Jehova promised them this land.

[Bazaar 5,752]

And we love her for this 🤍💙

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I’m sure everyone in Rafah is so grateful for the discourse around what Gaga has and hasn’t publicly said about Palestine!

[Edonis 28,571]

Y'all mocking the idea of a western celebrity using her voice to show support to people under fire and rubble piss me off lol. I know this is going to come as a shock to some of you in this thread, but Gaga IS an influential figure and her showing even an ounce of sympathy to our communities in the Levant does have an impact, both domestically and internationally. It is not career ending to donate money for food or supplies. Be ****ing for real for a second. 

 

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