Lil Nas X Responded To Universal Backlash Of His Upcoming New Single

[River 104,869]

Now ask yourselves, why a gay black Jesus imagery is even considered a controversy in the first place? here lies the problem, not with his cover art.

[RenegAde 18,208]

35 minutes ago, River said:

Now ask yourselves, why a gay black Jesus imaginary is even considered a controversy in the first place? here lies the problem, not with his cover art.

Lets not delflect, Thats the not the issue. Most people are just tired of seeing Christianity being overused as a marketing ploy to sell basic music off cheap controversy. Especially when we all know that it would be completely unacceptable if this were another religion. 

I personally dont care, i just looks tacky and unintelligent.  

Edited January 10 by RenegAde

[River 104,869]

17 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

Lets not delflect, Thats the not the issue. Most people are just tired of seeing Christianity being overused as a marketing ploy to sell basic music off cheap controversy. Especially when we all know that it would be completely unacceptable if this were another religion. 

I personally dont care, i just looks tacky and unintelligent.  

They are only tired when it's not their faves, we all know pop stans and how hypocrite they are.

It's not the first time that he's getting backlash for doing exactly the same thing that other white artist did or doing, like the gay kiss at the BET awards for example, instead of empowering it, there was a backlash, especially from white gays.

He's not Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim and so on or left these religions so he has no business with them honestly.. pretty sure he's pretty ignorant about their practice and imageries, as a gay person he can criticize other religions at any moment, but that's pretty much it.

[RenegAde 18,208]

52 minutes ago, River said:

They are only tired when it's not their faves, we all know pop stans and how hypocrite they are.

It's not the first time that he's getting backlash for doing exactly the same thing that other white artist did or doing, like the gay kiss at the BET awards for example, instead of empowering it, there was a backlash, especially from white gays.

He's not Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim and so on or left these religions so he has no business with them honestly.. pretty sure he's pretty ignorant about their practice and imageries, as a gay person he can criticize other religions at any moment, but that's pretty much it.

Pop fans are fickle, yes, but on this issue, everyone can agree that these types of publicity stunts are tired and overused. Especially when it lacks subance. His cover comes off as a caricature and that would be offensive for any religion. 

Also, lets be forreal. majority of the backlash lil nas recieves is from the black community because of the strong Christian beliefs that is prevalent in most black communities not white gays. Also, Many people in the black community have this false notion that there is an agenda to emasculate black men and men in general. This narrative has been around for a while and exist in other communities too.

Edited January 10 by RenegAde

[En_Sabah_Nur 9,356]

10 hours ago, 27monster27 said:

Why are so many gays willing put another down over something as simple as this? You would think we would stick together over a man who has been at the forefront in recent years of gay rights.

Because gays eat their own (unfortunately), I thought you knew?!  

 

[Bronco 5,745]

1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

Especially when we all know that it would be completely unacceptable if this were another religion. 

Let's be real. 

The only people who'd get pissed off if it was about Islam are the religious conservatives. If a queer muslim wanted to make music and artistry about their own religion, talk about their relationship with the bigotry attached etc then I see no issue. 

I'm a Christian, recovering baptist who's a methodist now to be precise. Also Queer as ****. I genuinely don't care or see any issue with people raised christian doing what Gaga/Madonna/Lil Nas etc have done/are doing. With the amount of bs thrown at us in the LGBT+ community by the Evangelicals, the Vatican, the Church of England etc I think we have every right to talk, dance, sing, write about it. 

[RenegAde 18,208]

46 minutes ago, Bronco said:

The only people who'd get pissed off if it was about Islam are the religious conservatives. 

If it's so feasible or even remotely acceptable then why is it NEVER done in pop culture?

46 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I'm a Christian, recovering baptist who's a methodist now to be precise. Also Queer as ****. I genuinely don't care or see any issue with people raised christian doing what Gaga/Madonna/Lil Nas etc have done/are doing. With the amount of bs thrown at us in the LGBT+ community by the Evangelicals, the Vatican, the Church of England etc I think we have every right to talk, dance, sing, write about it. 

What lil nas is doing comes off as a caricature for clicks and giggles. If you dont see anything wrong thats fine but that doesn't diminish how other people feel cuz yall wouldn't be questioning the criticms if it were another religion and that's why people keep on bringing up Islam. 

Edited January 10 by RenegAde

[Nathaniel Arven 1,597]

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ps : angels are not supposed t be cute i think he just tried to make an accurate angel.

 

 

Edited January 10 by Nathaniel Arven
omg the angriness...

[Robo Ga 15,031]

I’m surprised he did this again repackaged for a consecutive era… like it DID work back in the CMBYN era. Why would he do this again? It’s stale at this point. Like we get it, people think gays are the devil, we been knew.

[Bronco 5,745]

30 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

If it's so feasible or even remotely acceptable then why is it NEVER done in pop culture?

1 hour ago, Bronco said:

Firstly - How many queer muslim singers can you name who are as famous as Lil Nas? 

Secondly - Despite the protests of many, Lil Nas X won't be punished by the state for what can be considered blasphemous to Christians. The same could not be said for a queer muslim version of Lil Nas X - look at what happened to Salman Rushdie who was made an official state endorsed target for religious murder by Iran. As much as I criticise the Vatican, it's been a few hundred years since they had that level of power.  

Thirdly - pop culture in the west is heavily dominated by the US. The US is predominantly Christian/raised Christian (63% on recent estimates). So not surprisingly, pop culture reflects that and the artists present within that culture do as well. So ofc, people who are/were christian and have that religion built into part of their life make art that reflects that. 
 

32 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

What lil nas is doing comes off as a caricature for clicks and giggles.

My main question is why you think queers shouldn't be able to charicature their abusers? 

Lil Nas X has a song dedicated to the suicidal thoughts & pain he faced growing up as a young gay black guy in a culture that told him that was bad and sinful. He has every right to talk about it & make art that pertains to his life and personal experiences.
Do I think it's well done? No. It's been done better. 
But I will defend his right to process his lived experiences through his art because we all know as Gaga fans the important role a high profile celebrity saying "actually you're fine, you're good" can be to a young queer kid's mental health. 

[RenegAde 18,208]

52 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Secondly - Despite the protests of many, Lil Nas X won't be punished by the state for what can be considered blasphemous to Christians. The same could not be said for a queer muslim version of Lil Nas X - look at what happened to Salman Rushdie who was made an official state endorsed target for religious murder by Iran. As much as I criticise the Vatican, it's been a few hundred years since they had that level of power.  

So you agree that this will not fly with Islam?  that's essentially what most people are saying. 

In todays world of "cultural sensitivity" Any artist who uses Islam or any other religion for that matter for their "artistic expression" will not only get punished but will probably be "cancelled" for being islamophobic or insensitive. And that's regardless of whether they were raised muslim or not.

That's why gaga could release judas on Easter (which iv always criticized) but had to switch burqa to aura.

 

52 minutes ago, Bronco said:

My main question is why you think queers shouldn't be able to charicature their abusers? 

Lil Nas X has a song dedicated to the suicidal thoughts & pain he faced growing up as a young gay black guy in a culture that told him that was bad and sinful. He has every right to talk about it & make art that pertains to his life and personal experiences.
Do I think it's well done? No. It's been done better. 
But I will defend his right to process his lived experiences through his art because we all know as Gaga fans the important role a high profile celebrity saying "actually you're fine, you're good" can be to a young queer kid's mental health. 

You have admitted that this won't fly with Islam. You've admitted that what he does is a caricature, you also admitted that its been done better.

So why & how is it that we are  disagreeing?

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[Bronco 5,745]

1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

So you agree that this will not fly with Islam?  that's essentially what most people are saying. 

 

In much the same way that it doesn't fly with Conservative Christians. 

 

 

1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

Any artist who uses Islam or any other religion for that matter for their "artistic expression" will not only get punished but will probably be "cancelled" for being islamophobic or insensitive. And that's regardless of whether they were raised muslim or not.

That's not true in the slightest. The only people who would brand them islamophobic would be conservatives Muslims. Ironically conservative christians would tie themselves in knots to figure out how they could support a gay muslim doing similar stunts as Lil Nas X does. 

People may brand it insensitive. But that happens every time someone does something like Lil Nas X is doing that is seen as 'insensitive' to Christians. Funnily enough, it's what you are doing - while trying to argue that people don't brand it insensitive when its Christian. 
 

1 hour ago, RenegAde said:

You have admitted that this won't fly with Islam. You've admitted that what he does is a caricature, you also admitted that its been done better.

We disagree on the fact that you're trying to do the alt-right talking point of "Christians get persecuted and no one stops it". You're sat here saying no one does the very thing you're doing and other people are actually out here on this site doing and on other socials. Just because people aren't getting stabbed in the neck like Salman Rushdie doesn't mean everytime Christian imagery gets used in people's art no one says anything bad about it. 

We also disagree on the fact your putting more effort into defending Christians who's hatred leads people like Lil Nas, myself & others raised in mainstream sects of the faith into contemplating suicide rather than defending the right of LGBTQ+ people to fight back. 

[RenegAde 18,208]

6 minutes ago, Bronco said:

In much the same way that it doesn't fly with Conservative Christians. 

 

 

That's not true in the slightest. The only people who would brand them islamophobic would be conservatives Muslims. Ironically conservative christians would tie themselves in knots to figure out how they could support a gay muslim doing similar stunts as Lil Nas X does. 

People may brand it insensitive. But that happens every time someone does something like Lil Nas X is doing that is seen as 'insensitive' to Christians. Funnily enough, it's what you are doing - while trying to argue that people don't brand it insensitive when its Christian. 
 

We disagree on the fact that you're trying to do the alt-right talking point of "Christians get persecuted and no one stops it". You're sat here saying no one does the very thing you're doing and other people are actually out here on this site doing and on other socials. Just because people aren't getting stabbed in the neck like Salman Rushdie doesn't mean everytime Christian imagery gets used in people's art no one says anything bad about it. 

We also disagree on the fact your putting more effort into defending Christians who's hatred leads people like Lil Nas, myself & others raised in mainstream sects of the faith into contemplating suicide rather than defending the right of LGBTQ+ people to fight back. 

Whatever girl... you missing the point on purpose.

[Bronco 5,745]

2 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

Whatever girl... you missing the point on purpose.

No. I get the point. 

You don't like Lil Nas X and you're playing for the other side for the chance to hate on him

[Brizel 593]

On 1/10/2024 at 12:50 AM, Red said:

My thing with using religion in pop music is that it’s tired and boring tbh. Even when Gaga did it, Alejandro is literally the only Gaga music video I truly dislike. Judas is forgiven cause it’s a Bop™

Alejandro is a masterpiece