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This past September, a group of Marvel creatives, including studio chief Kevin Feige, assembled in Palm Springs for the studio’s annual retreat. Most years, the vibe would have been confident — even cocky — given how the premier superhero brand, owned by Disney since 2009, has remade the entertainment business in its image.  

But this occasion was angst-ridden — everyone at Marvel was reeling from a series of disappointments on-screen, a legal scandal involving one of its biggest stars and questions about the viability of the studio’s ambitious strategy to extend the brand beyond movies into streaming. The most pressing issue to be discussed at the retreat was what to do about Jonathan Majors, the actor who had been poised to carry the next phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe but instead is headed to a high-profile trial in New York later this month on domestic violence charges. The actor insists he is the victim, but the damage to his reputation and the chance he could lose the case has forced Marvel to reconsider its plans to center the next phase of its interlocking slate of sequels, spinoffs and series around Majors’ villainous character, Kang the Conqueror. 
 

At the gathering in Palm Springs, executives discussed backup plans, including pivoting to another comic book adversary, like Dr. Doom. But making any shift would carry its own headaches: Majors was already a big presence in the MCU, including as the scene-stealing antagonist in February’s “Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania.” And he has been positioned as the franchise’s next big thing in this season of “Loki” — particularly in the finale, which airs on Nov. 9 and sets up Kang as the titular star of a fifth “Avengers” film in 2026.  

“Marvel is truly fvcked with the whole Kang angle,” says one top dealmaker who has seen the final “Loki” episode. “And they haven’t had an opportunity to rewrite until very recently [because of the WGA strike]. But I don’t see a path to how they move forward with him.” 

Beyond the bad press for Majors, the brain trust at Marvel is also grappling with the November release of “The Marvels,” a sequel to 2019’s blockbuster “Captain Marvel” that has been plagued with lengthy reshoots and now appears likely to underwhelm at the box office.  

This is all an unprecedented turn of fortune for a company that has enjoyed a nearly uninterrupted string of hits ever since it started independently producing its movies with 2008’s “Iron Man.” That wildly profitable run culminated in the $2.8 billion success of 2019’s “Avengers: Endgame,” a high-water mark for the studio that has earned nearly $30 billion over 32 films. 

Replicating that kind of phenomenon is never easy. However, the source of Marvel’s current troubles can be traced back to 2020. That’s when the COVID pandemic ushered in a mandate to help boost Disney’s stock price with an endless torrent of interconnected Marvel content for the studio’s fledgling streaming platform, Disney+. According to the plan, there would never be a lapse in superhero fare, with either a film in theaters or a new television series streaming at any given moment.  

But the ensuing tsunami of spandex proved to be too much of a good thing, and the demands of churning out so much programming taxed the Marvel apparatus. Moreover, the need to tease out an interwoven storyline over so many disparate shows, movies and platforms created a muddled narrative that baffled viewers.  

“The Marvel machine was pumping out a lot of content. Did it get to the point where there was just too much, and they were burning people out on superheroes? It’s possible,” says Wall Street analyst Eric Handler, who covers Disney. “The more you do, the tougher it is to maintain quality. They tried experimenting with breaking in some new characters, like Shang-Chi and Eternals, with mixed results. With budgets as big as these, you need home runs.”  

“The Marvels,” which opens in theaters on Nov. 10, will struggle to get the ball past the infield, at least by Marvel’s outsized standards. The movie, which cost $250 million and sees Brie Larson reprising her role as Captain Marvel, is tracking to open to $75 million-$80 million — far below the $185 million “Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness” took in domestically in its debut weekend last year.   

Directed by Nia DaCosta, “The Marvels” unites Larson’s heroine with two superpowered allies, Teyonah Parris’ Monica Rambeau (introduced in the 2021 Disney+ series “WandaVision”) and Iman Vellani’s Kamala Khan (first seen in the 2022 series “Ms. Marvel”). But instead of seamlessly building on the success of “Captain Marvel,” this move resulted in four weeks of reshoots to bring coherence to a tangled storyline.   

Then eyebrows were raised again when DaCosta began working on another film while “The Marvels” was still in postproduction — the filmmaker moved to London earlier this year to begin prepping for her Tessa Thompson drama “Hedda.”  (A representative for DaCosta declined to comment.) 

“If you’re directing a $250 million movie, it’s kind of weird for the director to leave with a few months to go,” says a source familiar with the production. 

But Marvel has never been in the business of being average. “Kevin’s real superpower, his genius, has always been in postproduction and getting his hands on movies and making sure that they finished strongly,” the source adds. “These days, he’s spread thin.” (Feige declined to comment for this story.) 

Feige isn’t the only person showing signs of strain. Marvel’s entire VFX battalion, including staffers and vendors, is struggling to keep pace with a never-ending stream of productions. This past February, when the credits rolled at the world premiere of “Quantumania,” shock rippled through the Regency Village Theatre in Westwood over some shoddy CGI. “There were at least 10 scenes where the visual effects had been added at the last minute and were out of focus,” says one veteran power broker who was there. “It was insane. I’ve never seen something like that in my entire career. Everyone was talking about it. Even the kids of executives were talking about it.” 

The schedule swap with “The Marvels” had left the “Ant-Man” sequel in a squeeze, pushing up its postproduction schedule by four-and-a-half months. Marvel films are known for coming down to the wire, given Feige’s ability “to foam the runway and land a plane that way,” says one executive familiar with how the company operates. But this level of unfinished was unprecedented and would be noted in scathing reviews when the tentpole with the $200 million budget opened 11 days after the premiere. Critics weren’t the only ones dismayed. Fed up with 14-hour days and no overtime, Marvel VFX workers voted unanimously to unionize in September, sparking an industrywide trend. 

“The year 2023 was the straw that broke the camel’s back,” says former Marvel Studios VFX assistant coordinator Anna George, who appeared before the Congressional Labor Caucus on Oct. 19 to testify about the studio’s untenable deadlines and working conditions. “The pay and long hours at Marvel were the reason we had to start our unionization process there. The conditions were completely unsustainable.”

“The so-called bad VFX we see was because of half-baked scripts,” says one person involved with “She-Hulk.” “That is not Victoria. That is Kevin. And even above Kevin. Those issues should be addressed in preproduction. The timeline is not allowing the Marvel executives to sit with the material.”

All the while, Marvel was bleeding money, with a single episode of “She-Hulk” costing some $25 million, dwarfing the budget of a final-season episode of HBO’s “Game of Thrones, ” but without a similar Zeitgeist bang. The August 2022 series premiere at the El Capitan Theatre foreshadowed what was to come six months later at the “Quantumania” bow: the “She-Hulk” special effects were out of focus in multiple scenes.

There are signs that the flood of product is leading people to tune out. “I’m not prepared to call it a permanent fall. But based on the numbers that go with Marvel podcasts, Marvel-based articles, friends who do Marvel-based video coverage, all of these numbers are significantly down,” says Joanna Robinson, co-author of the New York Times bestseller “MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios,” who is a writer and podcaster at The Ringer. “The quality is suffering. In 2019, at the peak, if you put ‘Marvel Studios’ in front of something, people were like, ‘Oh, that brand means quality.’ That association is no longer the case because there have been so many projects that felt half-baked and undercooked.” 

With Iger publicly acknowledging the downside of a Marvel TV glut that “diluted focus and attention,” the keepers of the comic book empire are considering some dramatic moves. Sources say there have been talks to bring back the original gang for an “Avengers” movie. This would include reviving Robert Downey Jr.’s Iron Man and Scarlett Johansson’s Black Widow, both of whom were killed off in “Endgame.” (That shouldn’t be a stumbling block — in comic books, beloved characters are often killed off, only to be resurrected thanks to the power of things like the multiverse.) But the studio hasn’t yet committed to the idea — if it were able to bring those actors back, it wouldn’t come cheap. Sources say Downey Jr.’s upfront salary for “Iron Man 3” was around $25 million.  

Will that solve Marvel’s Majors problem? When the “Quantumania” actor was arrested in March, Disney executives insisted that they could afford to play a wait-and-see game, given that “Avengers: The Kang Dynasty” wasn’t expected to begin shooting until early 2024. But then Majors was dropped in quick succession by his publicists and managers. (He remains a client at WME — the agency where he landed after CAA parted ways with him, pre-arrest, for his “brutal conduct” toward staff, says one source. CAA declined to comment.)

A studio source notes that regardless of the actor’s legal issues, Marvel already had considered moving away from a Majors-led phase because of the box office performance of “Quantumania,” which will struggle to make a profit. “It gave people pause given that ‘Quantumania’ didn’t exactly land,” the source says.  (On Oct. 27, Disney removed another Majors film, Searchlight’s “Magazine Dreams,” from the release calendar.)

Recasting Majors is also an option, as Feige did when he replaced Terrence Howard in “Iron Man 2” with Don Cheadle.  In fact, Marvel isn’t afraid to change direction, even after making splashy announcements. “Armor Wars” was first unveiled as a series and is now being developed as a feature, while the studio’s push to adapt the comic book “Inhumans” into a feature film generated headlines but is now dormant. (The now-defunct Marvel Television mounted an “Inhumans” TV series in 2017 that ran for one season on ABC.)

The key to reinvigorating Marvel may lie with the superhero arsenal that Disney acquired during its 2019 purchase of 21st Century Fox. That deal brought several blue-chip heroes, such as the X-Men and the Fantastic Four, back under the studio’s control. Already fans are geeking out about next year’s “Deadpool 3,” which unites Ryan Reynolds’ merc with a mouth with Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine, and a reboot of “Fantastic Four” slated for 2025. As a bonus, the Fox additions give Feige an opportunity to reimagine the “X-Men” franchise, the very property he cut his teeth on as a young executive at Lauren Shuler Donner’s production company. Now that the WGA strike is in the rearview mirror, Marvel has started talking to writers about bringing the X-Men into the MCU fold.

While Feige recalibrates, the rest of the industry is anxiously hoping that Marvel’s best days are not behind it.  

“Writing the Marvel obituary would be ill-advised,” says Jason Squire, professor emeritus at USC School of Cinematic Arts and host of “The Movie Business Podcast.” “Kevin Feige is the Babe Ruth of movie executives, and Marvel has the most profitable track record in movie history. No question.”

https://variety.com/2023/film/features/marvel-jonathan-majors-problem-the-marvels-reshoots-kang-1235774940/

 

 

Wake up call for The Feige, it's been lackluster

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TL;DR:

 

- MCU is currently having issues with their big bad on the current phase, Kang cos the actor, Jonathan Majors, is in serious criminal case. They are trying to find a way out. Either to drop him and moved on to Dr. Doom or recast Kang

- MCU put out too much content. Disney+ contents especially are damaging to the brand. 

- Mahersala Ali considers to leave Blade after bad script which turning him not even the hero of his own movie, he would be the 4th lead, the main hero said to be another character, who is a woman. Feige had to restart the script from scratch now that he hears Mahersala about to leave.

- Nia DaCosta, directors of The Marvels already left the project during post production and moved on to film her new movie which is weird af

- MCU executives got desperate and think they should bring back all the dead big heroes (RDJ aka Iron Man, ScarJo aka Black Widow, etc), though they haven't explore this seriously 

- Variety suggests MCU need to brought out Fantast 4 & X-Men quicker as that might save & revitalize the brand 

[Rat Boy 43,287]

Yes bring X Men back so Wanda can come back.

[Togekiss 2,507]

Manifesting the end of marvel 

Let The Boys and Gen V rise from their ashes.

[REALITY 76,008]

21 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

TL;DR:

 

- MCU is currently having issues with their big bad on the current phase, Kang cos the actor, Jonathan Majors, is in serious criminal case. They are trying to find a way out. Either to drop him and moved on to Dr. Doom or recast Kang

- MCU put out too much content. Disney+ contents especially are damaging to the brand. 

- Mahersala Ali considers to leave Blade after bad script which turning him not even the hero of his own movie, he would be the 4th lead, the main hero said to be another character, who is a woman. Feige had to restart the script from scratch now that he hears Mahersala about to leave.

- Nia DaCosta, directors of The Marvels already left the project during post production and moved on to film her new movie which is weird af

- MCU executives got desperate and think they should bring back all the dead big heroes (RDJ aka Iron Man, ScarJo aka Black Widow, etc), though they haven't explore this seriously 

- Variety suggests MCU need to brought out Fantast 4 & X-Men quicker as that might save & revitalize the brand 

My thoughts on each of these points:

- I don't understand why they won't just recast Kang. I think shifting the focus to Doom is a mistake. Doom's a great character and frankly, I would've liked him to be the multiversal big bad from the beginning, but we're past that now. They've already set up Kang a bunch through Quantumania and Loki. They can't really afford to just swap him out for Doom when they haven't even bothered to set up Doom whatsoever in the MCU yet. Also, this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I haven't really enjoyed Majors' work in the MCU. I know a lot of people loved his performance as He Who Remains, but I didn't care for it. He was good in Quantumania, but his performance as Victor Timely is hit or miss.

- Marvel is putting out too much content. Even as a huge Marvel stan, it can be tiring to keep up with. Luckily it seems like they're changing their release strategy.

- I'm surprised Mahershala didn't leave sooner tbh. Relegating him to being the 4th lead is insane. I'm happy that they seem to be really trying to get the script right, but damn, it's been 4 years since he was announced as Blade. I just hope the movie comes out relatively soon.

- Is that really a weird thing though? I swear I've heard of directors doing multiple projects at once. Hopefully the movie's good. I'm actually pretty excited for it, but I fear that online dicussions are going to be so toxic.

- Oh god I hope not. I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I never cared for the OG Avengers that much. And bringing back Tony and Natasha would frankly make them seem really desparate. They're already doing a bunch of the multiverse stuff with the other Spider-Men and the Fox X-Men. That's more than enough imo.

- I don't think that's necessarily true. They bought back the Fantastic Four and X-Men a long time ago, it's just that they haven't done anything with them, which I think is the bigger problem. Even though I like the MCU's general direction post-Endgame, it's clear that most people just want the Fantastic Four and X-Men. Maybe they shouldn't have done the Multiverse Saga and just focus on those two groups, and then do the multiverse stuff after they've already established them. Because at the rate we're going, the X-Men aren't coming until AFTER Secret Wars.

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I've been waiting for them to finally bring the X-Men into the MCU but fix the mess first.

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Hopefully the DCU has a renaissance

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i am personally ok with the fall of MCU

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32 minutes ago, Togekiss said:

Manifesting the end of marvel 

Let The Boys and Gen V rise from their ashes.

But The boys and Gen z are satires of the MCU and comic book stories in general. People seem to think they are on the same level but one is a literal spoof of the other. 

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Gaga avoided a mess from being cast in any MCU films  

She also avoided a mess from being cast in any of the live action Disney remakes  

She truly always wins and knows what’s best for her career, despite what the Little Monstrosities think  

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MCU has been **** ever since Endgame. Stop making garbage and perhaps your movies wont flop so badly.

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Not the sleeping on Shang-Chi being a phenomenal movie 

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1 hour ago, ThisGuyTony said:

Gaga avoided a mess from being cast in any MCU films  

She also avoided a mess from being cast in any of the live action Disney remakes  

She truly always wins and knows what’s best for her career, despite what the Little Monstrosities think  

I mean, let's not act like Joker 2 is a guaranteed hit. In fact, it's actually an incredibly risky the film. The first movie was already divisive, many people think that it doesn't even need a sequel, the musical aspect turns a lot of people off, and there are still some people who don't like Gaga's casting. 

Out of any comic book universe she could've picked, DC Elseworlds was probably the best bet for her because they're a lot more artistic and free of any shared cinematic universe, but that doesn't mean that Joker 2 won't be a mess. Let's hope it's not.

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3 hours ago, ThisGuyTony said:

Gaga avoided a mess from being cast in any MCU films  

She also avoided a mess from being cast in any of the live action Disney remakes  

She truly always wins and knows what’s best for her career, despite what the Little Monstrosities think  

marvel created her Enigma stage though so she was close 

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It was inevitable. So much content was being pumped out and a lot of it was kinda quantity > quality.