Militants infiltrate Israel from Gaza & over 5,000 rockets fired towards Israel

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My heart breaks for all the innocent Israelis who got massacred. My heart also breaks for all the innocent Palestinians civilians that will likely be killed by the evil Israel government because of today’s tragedy  I wish the US would stop funneling so much money to Israel cause they’re just indirectly funding Israel’s genocide against Palestine  

[Future Lovers 7,616]

7 hours ago, Dennis said:

As much as I wish this was true, it simply isn't. It simply isn't factual. Palestinians did elect Hamas. And as a matter of fact, FATAH (the other faction which controls the West Bank) keeps delaying elections there because they are afraid that Hamas will win there too.

We can try to be untruthful and idealist and claim for example that Putin is not supported by Russians, or HAMAS is not supported by Palestinians. But the reality is different. Yes extremist groups/politicians can have popular support. And both Putin and Hamas do.

The question becomes, why do people support them? It's indoctrination, anger etc.. But to say that they don't have significant popular support is not factual.

Anger creates vile extremists. Harsh Versailles treaty conditions created Hitler. USSR collapse created Putin. And Israeli occupation created Hamas. But while we can point to these  catalyst events, we should never use them as justification for the actions committed by these vile individuals.

I would agree with you if that 2005 election had been a non-corrupt one or had Palestinins had the chance to remove Hamas since, but neither of those things is on the table.

An undemocratic election in 2005 and not a single one held since. Doesn’t sound like Hamas are legitimate leaders. That rings especially true when the reason that Hamas has withheld elections is because the Palestinian people intended to vote them out. 

Palestine has not put these leaders in place, I’m sorry to tell you. That 2005 election was not an open, fair, textbook election and they have been denied that right ever since. 

Can we really say that Hamas is there because Palestinians wanted them there when history has demonstrated loudly and clearly they wanted Hamas gone? 

I’ve never defended what Hamas has done today. I’ve bent over backwards to condemn it. 

And yet there are many people in here who are completely defending Israel and everything that they have done to Palestine. It’s interesting to me that people are so comfortable to openly condemn Palestine when they retaliate but stay silent when they’re attacked, but run to defend Israel when they’re attacked and stay silent when they attack back. 

What Hamas is doing is wrong. What Israel is doing is wrong. The people of both nations don’t deserve to be punished for the actions of their governments. 

None of that changes who the aggressor is, as much as today’s events are going to be used to claim otherwise. 

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[StarstruckIllusion 53,565]

15 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

 

What 

the **** 

is going on

[Dolev 867]

6 hours ago, Future Lovers said:

From my lips to god’s ears. 

Let’s make some things clear:

1. Being against Israel’s program of genocide is not the same thing as being antisemitic. Criticism of Israel is not the same as being antisemitic. Being anti-zionism (zionism in the way that it is currently employed, not historically defined as there is a very sharp divide between it’s historical meaning and the meaning it carries today) is not anti-semitic. Any assertion otherwise is a bad faith argument that is purely meant to twist something into an easy gotcha attack with no intention to actually engage with the discussion.

2. Any argument made in defense of Palestine that IS rooted in anti-semitism—and it is easy to tell—is just as abhorrent as whatever system or belief said argument is criticizing. There is no room for humoring anti-semitism in this conversation and anyone pro-Palestine should agree with this. If they do not, question their motive.

3. One can be both pro-Palestine and anti-terrorism. Those two are not one and the same. Hamas is Hamas and Palestine is Palestine. Hamas just so happens to control Gaza, but the people of Palestine did not put them there or elect them to it. Any attempt to conflate the two is not based in reality but rather another agenda that is rooted in a completely different subject entirely.

4. Similarly, any one trying to conflate the average citizens of Israel with their government and military are similarly not basing this thought in reality. 

5. This has nothing to do with LGBTQ+ rights and the introduction of that uncorrelated subject only serves to platform a prejudice of it’s own. It’s a diversion tactic, nothing less.

6. Supporting the citizens of Israel is a beautiful gesture. The blind support of Israel as nation—that is, their government and whatever their government plans to do in response to this—is the result of a thorough brainwashing of the west that preyed upon the west’s fears of terrorism after 9/11. 

7. Israel’s propaganda machine isn’t asking you to support it’s people, it’s asking you to support it’s regime and it’s plan for genocide. The Israeli government and Israeli system does not actually care about Israeli citizens and especially doesn’t care if you support them. All those in charge want is your complete and total support for their machine so you never question their own acts of terrorism. 

8. War is not a game of right and wrong. Both sides here have blood on their hands and things they must answer for. 

9. The flip side of #7 however is that, in the end, Israel is the larger, nuclear, more powerful entity and they’re holding an entire group of people hostage. Both sides have done their wrong, but only one side has been the aggressor and that side is Israel. 

10. This attack is abhorrent, wrong, and should be roundly condemned. It is not however an unprovoked one and any assertion that it is is a lie.

"Hamas just happen to control Gaza"

well the people of palestine indeed elected them to be there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

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44 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

 

 

28 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

What 

the **** 

is going on

Its not the Lebanon government that fired it, its Hezbollah as they control the southern part of Lebanon. Keep in mind Hezbollah are fully loyal to Iran, and funded by them.

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,614]

28 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

What 

the **** 

is going on

Do we know what this means or infers? Like is just another nation just getting its licks in now that Israel is weakened or are they working with the first attackers? Idk what's happening. 

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1 hour ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Do we know what this means or infers? Like is just another nation just getting its licks in now that Israel is weakened or are they working with the first attackers? Idk what's happening. 

Irans openly says their biggest goal is to end Israel and destroy it. Iran also controls Hamas and Lebanon's Hezbollah. This explains why Lebanons Hezbollah is getting involved in this. Lebanon was even once occupied by Israel for a short period of time! Iran is Israels biggest threat!

Also, Arabs dont view other Arabic countries as a different countries, we all see each other as one.

[Future Lovers 7,616]

1 hour ago, Dolev said:

"Hamas just happen to control Gaza"

well the people of palestine indeed elected them to be there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

Again, as I reiterated above, this was not textbook election. This was an election based on manipulation, corruption, and Hamas' weaponizing of an already dysfunctional governmental system. 

As you can see in these statistics, even then not even half of the nation supported Hamas and the number of people that do is even lower today. Polls recently have shown that not only do the majority of Palestinians not want to be under Hamas' government, but they don't want to be under Fatah either. 

There is a reason there hasn't been an election in almost two decades: Palestinians made it clear they were going to vote Hamas out. 

You're acting as if 2006 saw the entire nation rallying behind Hamas when there was in fact a whole crisis that developed when Hamas won the election precisely because they didn't have majority support but managed to con their way into taking just 3% more of the vote. 

This outpouring of support and adoration for Hamas that you all seem to want to push on Palestinians simply doesn't exist. 

[Dennis 8,391]

3 hours ago, Future Lovers said:

I would agree with you if that 2005 election had been a non-corrupt one or had Palestinins had the chance to remove Hamas since, but neither of those things is on the table.

An undemocratic election in 2005 and not a single one held since. Doesn’t sound like Hamas are legitimate leaders. That rings especially true when the reason that Hamas has withheld elections is because the Palestinian people intended to vote them out. 

Palestine has not put these leaders in place, I’m sorry to tell you. That 2005 election was not an open, fair, textbook election and they have been denied that right ever since. 

Again this is an issue of "wanting to believe something is true" rather than determining whether something is actually true.

Fatah was the party in power before Hamas in all palestinian territories (now they only govern in the West Bank). Did they rig the election against themselves to lose Gaza to Hamas? No. The results were a reflection of the popularity of muslim brotherhood parties, a pattern also observed in other arab countries like Egypt and Tunisia when they had their first free elections (Ennahdha in Tunisia in 2011, Morsi in Egypt in 2012).

Not to mention that even polls show that Hamas is still popular today.

A more constructive debate would focus on the reasons why they're popular and trying to address those reasons, rather than denying the truth because we don't like it.

 

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This conflict will literally never end.

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17 minutes ago, Meat said:

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yes and also always people reporting about their missing loved ones and no professional reaching out to them for help

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The sad part is that because of Hamas actions, Gaza will be vanished