P!nk vs Circumcision Activist

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On 9/26/2023 at 10:44 PM, bionic said:

Guy was probably removed for being disruptive rather than the cause. Being ardently pro-circumcision is such a bizaare thing to be, it would make total sense for Hollyweird

I would say the opposite? Circumcision is part of tradition and religious beliefs, so Hollywood would be against it?

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14 minutes ago, Reality said:

I guess it's because I didn't really have a choice

A lot of it has to do with this

Tbh there's very little reason to ever do it. If guys are taught to keep themselves clean (like, basic hygiene) then the only reason would be in the rare case where a guy's foreskin is too tight.

Otherwise it's just nonconsensual mutilation for the sake of it

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11 minutes ago, androiduser said:

I would say the opposite? Circumcision is part of tradition and religious beliefs, so Hollywood would be against it?

Hollywood in general supported Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, Weinstein for many years, etc. Not that it relates to circumcision but they're not as forward-thinking as people give them credit for. #OscarsSoWhite made them improve!

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15 minutes ago, PartySick said:

A lot of it has to do with this

Tbh there's very little reason to ever do it. If guys are taught to keep themselves clean (like, basic hygiene) then the only reason would be in the rare case where a guy's foreskin is too tight.

Otherwise it's just nonconsensual mutilation for the sake of it

Yeah, I can see that. Idk, I've just always looked at it as a medical procedure so it's never really bothered me. I think for me it'd be more about the way in which it was done. If you're gonna get it done, there are definitely better, more humane ways to do it. 

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On 9/26/2023 at 4:48 PM, NATAH said:

i mean he's right but in the wrong place... people are there to enjoy music, not be randomly preached at about circumcision 

This tbh  

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1 hour ago, PartySick said:

How? Christians also do it

Everyone in my family that has a pp is cut and there's not a jew in sight

It's a criticism of the practice, not an attack on the people that do it tbh

Well I think if you follow the logic of that argument it would have to be a critique of the people performing/allowing the circumcision because the babies aren't circumcising themselves 

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1 hour ago, Reality said:

Yeah, I can see that. Idk, I've just always looked at it as a medical procedure so it's never really bothered me. I think for me it'd be more about the way in which it was done. If you're gonna get it done, there are definitely better, more humane ways to do it. 

Never bothered me much either tbh. It's not one of my go-to causes but I understand the people who are against it

23 minutes ago, Pandauralife said:

Well I think if you follow the logic of that argument it would have to be a critique of the people performing/allowing the circumcision because the babies aren't circumcising themselves 

Well yeah, that's why this dude was upset with P!nk 'cause she, as a parent, opted to get her kid cut

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Why is all this weird stuff happening at her concerts? I also don't think getting this message out during a concert was the best idea either. I don't know why she's being targeted specifically when many other famous parents have done this procedure on their children and most Americans do generally. It's a weird thing to make a protest about. I'd totally forgotten she's posted that pic of her child naked from the waist down (my brain was probably trying to erase it). She probably got a light backlash compared to if a father had done that (made me think of that Blueface guy who did the same thing recently, but for malicious reasons) and I don't know why the site didn't take it down. I thought they had filters in place for this kinda thing? No one would've known he was circumcised if she'd just kept that photo private. As a parent, you should never do anything that might open up your child to ridicule or inappropriate glances. 

23 hours ago, Future Lovers said:

Not in the slightest defending her posting it to social media because that’s messy, but I also to a certain point understand the thoughtlessness. There’s lots of photos of me as a kid in the bath, and my mom naked as a toddler doing something funny in family photo albums and I’ve seen this with other families as well. 

That’s not a photo available for the world to see of course, but I think perhaps that is a fixture of another generation and she perhaps grew up around those photos being innocent and normal (which they are, just not normal to share with strangers) and didn’t think much about it. 

Again, shouldn’t have posted it and should’ve thought about it and the response to the backlash was wrong. But I can see it being genuine thoughtlessness if she grew up with photos of toddlers naked in innocuous situations being a normal fixture of family photo collections like it was for a lot of families of a certain time. 

Same, it was very common for children born in the 90's or before to have occasional photos of them in the bath and whatnot just floating around in family albums. I think, because the internet wasn't commonplace or didn't even exist back then, people weren't sharing them with anyone and the idea that they could get posted online never entered their minds. I remember that time we were all watching old family archive footage and there was a video of me running about naked when I was 3 and while I thought it was fine at the time, it rankles on my mind occasionally because the idea of that footage ever falling into the wrong hands and what could be done with it turns my stomach. And it was on an old VHS tape that wasn't even properly titled so it's wouldn't even be obvious what's on it from just looking at the tape from the outside (I know, I'm painting a really unsavoury image now). I doubt my dad thought about any of that when he filmed it, it was just an innocent piece of memory capture that lots of parents did at the time, not thinking about how such things could be perceived or what would happen if anyone found that stuff and what they could do with it. As it is, it means a tape exists of me running about naked as a child and I have no idea where it is or if it will ever be discovered, which doesn't do good for my anxiety. I'm just glad the world is changing now. Suffice to say, if I ever have children, I'd refrain from ever putting any images of them online wherever possible and if I did, they'd be fully clothed, nor would I ever take any photos/videos of them in a state of undress. You just can't take any chances nowadays what with the scary possibilities of the internet and personally, I've never understood why anyone would want pictures of their naked child. It may be 'innocent' but what innocent reason is there for wanting to take such an image?

1 hour ago, Reality said:

I'm gonna sound really ignorant here, but why is circumcision such a hot topic for a lot of people? Idk, I'm circumcised and I've never really had a problem with it  I got it when I was older (still a kid, but not when I was a baby) and I didn't really think twice about it. I guess it's because I didn't really have a choice—my parents just decided that my brother and I would get one—but they always told me it was for health reasons. To me, it was just like any other medical procedure.

Is it more about the way in which the procedure is happening? For example, I'm Filipino and when I was circumcised, my dad would tell me about how young boys in the Philippines would get circumcised and it sounded wild compared to just a normal medical procedure. In that case, I can understand being anti-circumcision if the method seems cruel. But the circumcision itself seems...fine? Idk.

Because it mostly happens to babies, there's an issue of lack of consent on the baby's part. I think most of us would want to make the choice to have a body part altered or cut off instead of having it forced on us at an age where we can't do anything about it. Secondly, it's proven that those who've had the procedure experience reduced sexual pleasure. I can't comment on how much of a reduction it has and whether anyone can do a before/after comparison but it's pretty much considered a fact. Because the only logic behind it (other than religion) is that it's more hygienic, it's mostly considered a pointless procedure since the obvious solution is just to keep it clean. Speaking as someone who lives in a country where it's not the norm whatsoever and we think the idea is wild, I have never heard of any man who had medical issues as a result of being non-circumcised. So, we view it as a wholly unnecessary procedure that only has religious significance at best but certainly not medical relevance. And then throw in that when it happens to girls, it's called female genital mutilation and is considered appalling and there's an obvious double standard at play that we should really address. 

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4 hours ago, Reality said:

I'm gonna sound really ignorant here, but why is circumcision such a hot topic for a lot of people? Idk, I'm circumcised and I've never really had a problem with it  I got it when I was older (still a kid, but not when I was a baby) and I didn't really think twice about it. I guess it's because I didn't really have a choice—my parents just decided that my brother and I would get one—but they always told me it was for health reasons. To me, it was just like any other medical procedure.

Is it more about the way in which the procedure is happening? For example, I'm Filipino and when I was circumcised, my dad would tell me about how young boys in the Philippines would get circumcised and it sounded wild compared to just a normal medical procedure. In that case, I can understand being anti-circumcision if the method seems cruel. But the circumcision itself seems...fine? Idk.

It’s great that you don’t have issues but there is an entire online community devoted to regrowing foreskin for a multitude of reasons. For me, I have chronic pain in my penis and recurring irritation on my glans due do circumcision. It has taken over my life and I can’t stand comfortably for any amount of time due to this. When something like that hurts constantly, especially something that is used for pleasure… something that doesn’t trouble other men, intact men, men without a botched circumcision, men with a normal circumcision… I hyperfocus on it. I’m constantly aware of the pain. It’s weird. i can’t experience life the same way, I can’t be intimate with my partner properly, I can’t work for extended periods like a normal guy due to the pain… it has given me depression bordering on the severe. I would say it has taken over my life and it is a big part of my depression and suicidal ideation. I have considered gender reassignment because of it. Not sure if it’s possible, but anyway.