Joe Germanotta speaks out against Immigrants

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20 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Why is that? Genuinely curious

I don't know much about immigration personally. @Flippy took me to a museum in LA that really made my heart hurt for immigrants so I'm tempted to say dissolve all borders and let people live wherever tf they want.

Not sure about the repercussions of that but I'm not in charge of any borders so that doesn't really matter

North America is better at immigration from the perspective of Americans, but im not sure about how they treat immigrants. I think in America, immigrants are well assimilated into the culture and they dont isolate and live in one area. Even though North America accepts alot of illegal and legal immigrants, it doesnt seem to negatively effect the country.

Now if you look at Europe, its a complete mess and I understand why someone would be against immigration there. Or in Lebanon immigrants are not more the Lebanese people, and it could possibly change the whole political system in the country.

[Lady Rah Rah 2,006]

Isn’t everyone, at some point in their ancestry, technically an immigrant? 
 

I’ve always found it interesting that Gaga did not turn out to have the same views as her Dad, I guess she listened to Cynthia more growing up and did not let Joe’s views distort her perspective on the world. A true Queen indeed 

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57 minutes ago, PartySick said:

This can't be a real take on GagaDaily.com, can it?

Why is that? Genuinely curious

I don't know much about immigration personally. @Flippy took me to a museum in LA that really made my heart hurt for immigrants so I'm tempted to say dissolve all borders and let people live wherever tf they want.

Not sure about the repercussions of that but I'm not in charge of any borders so that doesn't really matter

What about citizenship though? And the taxpayer?? Who would govern a borderless society?

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1 hour ago, faysalaaa1 said:

North America is better at immigration from the perspective of Americans, but im not sure about how they treat immigrants. I think in America, immigrants are well assimilated into the culture and they dont isolate and live in one area. Even though North America accepts alot of illegal and legal immigrants, it doesnt seem to negatively effect the country.

Immigrants carve out spaces of their own in the US. There are Italian parts of New York, Cuban and Puerto Rican parts of Miami (PR is part of the US but still) to the point that a new dialect of English is forming in Miami, which is pretty cool.

And to talk about LA again, there is a huge and healthy Mexican culture there that was really bright and lovely to see. People dancing in the plaza, a market full of privately owned shops, authentic food, I'd really love to go there again...I need another burrito and horchata 

But you also have to keep in mind that the entirety of the US (and the Americas as a whole) is a mixture of colonizing immigrants and natives. The Mexican culture in California and Texas existed there before they were part of the US while you have French and Spanish cultures in the south and east of the Mississippi.

We're a melting pot of cultures that seem to mix easily when given the chance to do so peacefully but that still doesn't stop atrocities like our current border situation where immigrants are turning up dead in the river, thousands of corpses found in the desert, families separated, children abducted, even legal immigrants are assaulted, hated, spat at, discriminated against, and they're all people just looking for better lives.

36 minutes ago, dubstep111 said:

What about citizenship though? And the taxpayer?? Who would govern a borderless society?

What about citizenship?

You know, my step mom moved to Arizona with her mother from Chihuahua, Mexico to escape her abusive father and the gang he was part of. She was a little girl. She went to school here, grew up here, made a life here, and she didn't get a chance to actually become a citizen until she was almost 40.

The US is already one of, if not THE hardest country to get into. And immigrants are not the problem we have here. They're not even in the top 20.

Billionaires' greed, religious extremism, alt-right misinformation and violence, domestic terrorism, political madmen like Trump and other GOP freaks, poverty, homelessness, drug addiction, mental health, physical health, expensive healthcare, chemicals in oir food, climate change, broken government representation, underfunded schools, poorly paid teachers, super inflated military budget, militarized police, police unions, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, every one of these and more are more of a detriment to us than some people from below the border so I say let them in. Hell, I'll personally roll out the red carpet for them 

A nation without borders isn't a nation but borders that cannot be crossed chokes and kills the nation it contains. Some of our brightest minds and biggest hearts in the US have been immigrants. Many of them refugees, many sought citizenship after living here all their lives.

And what about taxpayers?? Are you implying immigrants, documented or otherwise, don't pay taxes? 'Cause they definitely pay more than the richest people in this country do. They contribute more than any parasite with hoarded wealth.

A poor man from Central America who brings his family here to work and live contributes more to our society than any rich f*cking CEO ever will.

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5 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Immigrants carve out spaces of their own in the US. There are Italian parts of New York, Cuban and Puerto Rican parts of Miami (PR is part of the US but still) to the point that a new dialect of English is forming in Miami, which is pretty cool.

And to talk about LA again, there is a huge and healthy Mexican culture there that was really bright and lovely to see. People dancing in the plaza, a market full of privately owned shops, authentic food, I'd really love to go there again...I need another burrito and horchata 

But you also have to keep in mind that the entirety of the US (and the Americas as a whole) is a mixture of colonizing immigrants and natives. The Mexican culture in California and Texas existed there before they were part of the US while you have French and Spanish cultures in the south and east of the Mississippi.

We're a melting pot of cultures that seem to mix easily when given the chance to do so peacefully but that still doesn't stop atrocities like our current border situation where immigrants are turning up dead in the river, thousands of corpses found in the desert, families separated, children abducted, even legal immigrants are assaulted, hated, spat at, discriminated against, and they're all people just looking for better lives.

Having a nice Mexican culture in California is good, but when it starts feeling like a separate country, and the people live completely different lives and values than Americans, it starts to become an issue. I dont see this issue in America, but I do see it all over the world like Europe and some Middle Eastern countries.

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1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Having a nice Mexican culture in California is good, but when it starts feeling like a separate country, and the people live completely different lives and values than Americans, it starts to become an issue. I dont see this issue in America, but I do see it all over the world like Europe and some Middle Eastern countries.

Well, California already feels like a different (better) country from the rest of the US so

But again, Mexicans were there before white, English descended Americans were so maybe that was a poor choice of comparison...

I think it's also important to consider a lot of the people leaving the ME for Europe aren't simply immigrating, they're fleeing. They're refugees, not just immigrants. They're not looking for new lives and new societies, they're looking for safety. And by a consequence, they're more reluctant to abandon their culture than a willing immigrant would be.

And a large part of why the ME is so bad today is due to western interference...especially American imperialism and proxy wars...so while we bear more of the responsibility, it's easier for someone to leave the ME and go to Europe than it is for them to come here. Not only because of, you know...the ocean and all  but the US has very closed borders. It takes years to even get a visa just to visit. But that shouldn't stop @alsemanche from trying

Idrk what my point is, I fear. I guess that the situations are different so the results and solutions aren't comparable.

I think migrants should naturalize themselves when going to a new place. They should respect the law of the land if the law is just but they should also be able to expect native born people to respect their culture in return and be allowed to keep their traditions and beliefs intact, even if it causes a little pocket community within that country. Of course, bigotry or anything destructive that exists in a person's culture should go away but those things are bad regardless of a person's citizenship status or location. Homophobia sucks in Germany and it sucks in Lebanon.

But you belabor that "assimilate" point enough and it comes across as expecting people to erase their culture entirely, which is xenophobic and potentially even racist. Not accusing you of that, but that's why those arguments are seen as anti-immigrant and hateful.

I know this is all word salad  excuse me, my brain is melting from fever and exhaustion but I actually quite enjoy your takes and conversations, even though I rarely agree

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16 hours ago, PartySick said:

Well, California already feels like a different (better) country from the rest of the US so

But again, Mexicans were there before white, English descended Americans were so maybe that was a poor choice of comparison...

I think it's also important to consider a lot of the people leaving the ME for Europe aren't simply immigrating, they're fleeing. They're refugees, not just immigrants. They're not looking for new lives and new societies, they're looking for safety. And by a consequence, they're more reluctant to abandon their culture than a willing immigrant would be.

And a large part of why the ME is so bad today is due to western interference...especially American imperialism and proxy wars...so while we bear more of the responsibility, it's easier for someone to leave the ME and go to Europe than it is for them to come here. Not only because of, you know...the ocean and all  but the US has very closed borders. It takes years to even get a visa just to visit. But that shouldn't stop @alsemanche from trying

Idrk what my point is, I fear. I guess that the situations are different so the results and solutions aren't comparable.

I think migrants should naturalize themselves when going to a new place. They should respect the law of the land if the law is just but they should also be able to expect native born people to respect their culture in return and be allowed to keep their traditions and beliefs intact, even if it causes a little pocket community within that country. Of course, bigotry or anything destructive that exists in a person's culture should go away but those things are bad regardless of a person's citizenship status or location. Homophobia sucks in Germany and it sucks in Lebanon.

But you belabor that "assimilate" point enough and it comes across as expecting people to erase their culture entirely, which is xenophobic and potentially even racist. Not accusing you of that, but that's why those arguments are seen as anti-immigrant and hateful.

I know this is all word salad  excuse me, my brain is melting from fever and exhaustion but I actually quite enjoy your takes and conversations, even though I rarely agree

I strongly believe in my religion and culture, but im also very secular! I think migrants should keep their culture strong as much as possible when they move to another country, but you have to respect the law of the country you are moving to. And while you should stick to your own values, you must understand the values of the country you are moving to.

Middle Eastern refugees are not willing to abandon their culture, but its not because they are bad, but its human nature to do so unless there are systematic incentives to help them make the right changes.

Like I said, I support illegal immigration, and I hate when people forget their cultures. Im not coming from a xenophobic racist perspective, im more coming from a secular perspective. I also criticize Secular countries like France when they become too secular to the point where their laws hurt migrants and Muslims.

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His neighbor on TikTok put him on blast for exaggerating/lying. 

[Guest]

On 8/11/2023 at 1:28 AM, Bonkers said:

Speechless is one of my favorite Gaga songs.  But maybe she shouldn't have written it. 

??? gaga is his daughter, it doesnt matter what he says, she has to love him and it is what she is doing. joe is not doing right, but gaga is, and the best thing she could do now is not talk about this

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this man did not deserve speechless tbh

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Americans talking against immigration after the genocide of the natives is always tragic and funny to me

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but joe is italian, isn't he ?

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On 8/10/2023 at 7:44 PM, G U C C I said:

I understand the knee jerk reaction to say f*ck him, but unless you have actually lived through having huge amounts of immigrants from anywhere come into your neighborhood and basically making it unlivable for the people who were there and built there lives there then you don’t understand. Could he have been more well spoken and shown empathy for their situation? YES! But on a certain level his frustration is warranted. 
 

It is a horrible situation for the citizens and the immigrants both! They are left with little resources and in a horrible situation they have to navigate without real help. The citizens who initially welcome them then feel betrayed because that help never comes and the buck is passed and passed until it they finally leave their community. 
 

He has had some other shitty takes before as well and some of his comments regarding Fox News are crazy, but this is one moment where a portion of what he is saying is true. It’s unfortunate he can’t be as eloquent as his daughter. 

He was extremely eloquent. He just sucks.

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Americans are always so politically partisan. 

None of you ever disagrees with any points of your political parties in a truly meaningful way. Here you disagree with him because you actually believe he's being a Republican. 

I am an immigrant/naturalized Canadian. There is a big distinction between immigration with the intention to integrate where both the country and the immigrant benefit economically, and social fabric of the nation isn't damaged. Then there is illegal migration activities which do not pass through any checks and balances necessary for economic advancement of the nation or protection of the social fabric of a nation... 

FYI - property owners in any downtown/midtown/uptown (non-suburban) areas know that these kind of movements happen whenever a homeless shelter or similar activity happens in a previously not that way building. His stance isn't politically partisan. I can give many similar examples from Toronto. 

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On 8/11/2023 at 8:58 PM, LateToCult said:

His neighbor on TikTok put him on blast for exaggerating/lying. 

You still have the video by any chance?