Fuffy 1,000 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 6 hours ago, ProudGayFurry said: isnt this the girl who got ended by Kesha š You posted something similar on the other Kim thread. Youāre obsessed with her, I canātĀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSuperfan1 307 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 People here can be really awful towards Kim, hate seeing thatĀ in our community here. Itās one thing not to like her music but the way people talk about her is really ugly for a community where diversity is suppose to be celebrated. Thatās who Gaga is, thatās who the kindness punks are. Anyway, I love Kim, and I sure would love to see some of the hate dissipate for those that are bunheads here and want to celebrate her.Ā We should always be aĀ welcoming accepting and inclusive community, & model respect to our community to each other and to other artistsĀ even if Ā weāre not big fans, or we have opinions. It doesnāt make us big people to talk smack. Kindness, openness and respect is way more cool!!! šš Anyway thatās my schpeeel. Excited for the issue. Oh Iām also a huge Kesha fan too! I see the wars between the fans, I think itās totally unnecessary, I donāt think Kim needs to be accountable for Lukeās actions, Luke needs to be, I think itās very misogynistic how people come after Kim.Ā I also think Lukeās not the only producer whoās had allegations in Hollywood, & I think thereās a lot of stories that donāt get media attention. Hollyweird got itās name for a reason, thereās a lot of things that happen in the business & if you held every artist accountable for working with producers or record labels that had misgivings, no artist would be safe. Kim has been distancing herself and legally I donāt believe she can speak about Dr Luke. But again, I really feelĀ Luke needs to be accountable for Luke, & Kim can be accountable for Kim, let Kim make music & work with the label she signed to. Dr. Luke is just one person at republic among many she works with. Kim has had to be accountable for some things she said, and she did apologize and address that,Ā Gaga also had aĀ similar attitude when working with R Kelly during art pop,Ā so I mean š¤·āāļø We love an adore Gaga, it took years before she addressed an apologized for R Kelly. Gaga did thatĀ collab with R Kelly when there was already several court proceedings and actions filed against him up to that point. She couldāve been swept away by his charm, talent and presence. He also was R Kelly, he was still a big name and talent people admired at the time,Ā thereās a reason it took so long for those stories to be heard, life is never black and white, & people with money take a long time to be held accountable or for repercussions of their actions to be heard and validated. A lot of times people are just trying to further the pursuit of their dreams or make good music with people they admire. I genuinely donāt feel Gaga was trying to go out of her way and hurt people with that collab, nor do I feel Kim was trying to hurt people by signing to Lukeās label under Republic. Artists just want to make good music, period, contracts and the business gets a little sticky and I think we should always offer artists grace for what they go through and are put through in the industry. Theyāre a product to these companies, theyāre even a product to us sometimes. We have to remember they too are people. Anyway,Ā If we can have forgiveness for Gaga, we really need some for Kim. StreamĀ Keshaās album May 19th, itās going to be fantastic, she is a fighter, & I love how she was able to release her truth, feelings and artistry with the label all this happened under. She needs our support also and itās been such a joy to see her artistry evolve, so creative and multi talented. Much love to everyone at Gaga daily, love and support one another, always offer kindness! šš¦ā¤ļø Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSuperfan1 307 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Maltese Falcon said: id like her if she didnt have a nasty attitude and dismiss rape victims I hear you, she hasĀ since addressed that, expanded on that and apologized for what she said. ButĀ like I said in my previous postĀ I think artists working in the industry they do deserve some grace. Gaga worked with an alleged pedophile and rapist during her ARTPOP era and thought nothing of it, and didnāt believe the rumors at the time, she wanted to make good music and work with someone she admired. If we can show grace to Gaga and that era, I really think we should show grace to Kim too. I canāt even imagine some of the feats sheās had to overcome, thereās so much sheās pioneered as an open trans artist, thereās been a lot of boxes the industry has tried to put her in and ways sheās had to prove herself to an industry that often didnāt want to take a chance on someone whoās trans. Iāll see if I can find Kimās apology or response, youāre free to feel however you do. Just wanted to share some of my thoughts about it too, & always always feel survivors should be heard,Ā believed & listened to. Much love. ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSuperfan1 307 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 11 hours ago, gypsy Hero said: This is so cool, Iām very happy for herĀ Ā also she looks gorgeous! Hopefully she gets to tour next yearĀ Letās go Gypsy Hero! I would love me some miss Petraās on tour! Woo-ahhh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstermilo 3,375 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 dont compare gaga to kim, gaga removed her song with r kelly and apologized for ever working with himĀ kim continues to work with dr luke and acts like hes not some type of monster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSuperfan1 307 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Monstermilo said: dont compare gaga to kim, gaga removed her song with r kelly and apologized for ever working with himĀ kim continues to work with dr luke and acts like hes not some type of monster I hear you, also recognize it took years for Gaga to do so, years, and a surviving R Kelly documentary to do so. Iām sure Gaga thought about that a lot even before she publicly spoke about it and even before the R Kelly doc came out. Because we do mature as people. Gaga is beautiful she is such a beautiful person but it doesnāt mean sheās not prone to make mistakes we all are.Ā But she didnāt think anything of it at the time, during that eraĀ she defended R Kelly.Ā I donāt think itās an unfair comparison. I would also be curious to know at the time how much her label was pushing for a collab, we donāt know all the details, we arenāt living in that crazy industry, who are we really to judge?Ā Kim has publiclyĀ distanced herself from Luke under republic she alsoĀ retracted and apologized for what she said. Sometimes we forget artists arenāt Godās or deities, theyāre people like us and prone to make mistakes just like us, but for KimĀ sheāsĀ under contract to amigo through republic, sheās going to make the most of it, Dr Luke is one of many sheāsĀ workedĀ with, sheās gotta pay her bills honey! She canāt just say forget it, even if she wanted to.Ā When youāre in contract you canāt just leave, not even Kesha, this last album of Keshaās is her last one sheās beenĀ contracted to make withĀ her label, then she can look at other labels, even Kesha couldnāt leave her labelĀ she experienced abuse under from Dr Luke. Keshaās continued to make music with her record label, she hasnāt let it stop her and sheās stood up for herself in a crazy industry.Ā I really do believe itās more grey than people tend to see it too,Ā I do not believeĀ Itās as simple as lots of people make it out to be. Even our big starĀ Taylor Swift has hadĀ so much trouble with her contracts, hence her re-recordings, sheās had loads ofĀ issues with major record labels, greedy and sketchy producers and those trying to procureĀ rights to her music. Iām sorry but men can be so gross and disgusting and I say that as a gay man who loves D, thereāsĀ lots of rich straight males that runĀ this industry, I really feel like we need to support our women who have to work these guys, rather then hate on the women who these men exploit and take advantage of. The music industry is very messy, even more soĀ because of the big cash grab it is, artists just want to make music.Ā If it were me and I was an artist in Kimās positionĀ and I loved music, I wouldnāt give up a label I worked so hard to secure because one person is associated with it. I just wouldnāt.Ā I think depending on what happens with Lukeās case weāllĀ see him phase out of Republic altogether, but until then heās part of that profitable cog of republic, heās aĀ necessary evilĀ to makeĀ that label money and keep businessĀ running. Theyāve changed his name several times in Republic withinĀ the labels heās associated with too because of the scandals and allegationsĀ he is associated with. Republicās no stranger to his allegations or cloud that follows Luke.Ā WhoāsĀ getting mad at republic though, theyāreĀ the one sending their artists to him.Ā They have more control with who theirĀ artistsĀ work with then the artists do who are in contract with Republic.Ā I get where your coming from Kim did say some things she really had to back peddle on, she was enchanted by Luke and it didnāt seem like she believed the allegations at first. I honestly donāt know how she feels about it now, she doesnāt publicly speak about it, and legally I donāt believe she can because of the litigation going on, but I know sheās not ok with abuse, I know sheās a woman in the industry I want to support as she grows and comes into her own as an artist. I donāt however think the comparisons areĀ unfair, I stand by what I said too, I believe artists deserve grace in this industry and I believe woman need ourĀ support in it. IĀ also believeĀ all artists grow and learn from the industry, all artists grow and learn about themselves & what they stand for and who they want to be & how to navigate the industry.Ā Every artist matures. The bigger you are the more control you have over who you work with too, look how big Taylor had to get before she could take back some of her power, itās not an easy industry, support our women!!!!Ā I think everyoneās doing the best they can too and deserves grace especially in an industry where people can make lots of money and abuse that power. I want grace, I would want that grace. Artists really just want to make music andĀ I say let them! Artists also say or do the wrong things just like us,Ā theyāre people, they make mistakes at times, havenāt we all? How often do we all make mistakes yet those is the public eye get judged so much harsher for them. I say if someone apologized and is trying to do the right thing on their path to their dreams, hate on the abuser not theĀ artist. I hear where youāre coming from and where your distain for abuse comes from. I have been on the other side of abuse myself, I stand byĀ and will always believe survivors. But I donāt believe it has to be one way or another. People can support Kesha and Kim while also withdrawing support for Luke. We can support woman in our industry! They need and deserve our support, they put up with so much ****!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATAH 39,627 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 12 hours ago, BillieGOAT said: She looks stunning!!! 1.1B+Ā streamsĀ on Spotify aloneā¦ and everyone hates it? Make it make senseĀ please everyboy hates that song now mother, what must i do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayure 701 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 She looks incredible. As usualĀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister G 9,543 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 The GOP and Conservatives must be losing their minds over this and I am here for it. Not the biggest fan of her music but happy for the representation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenaliner 3,608 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 15 hours ago, Railing said: Why are we using achievements as a metric in which artist is superior when Kim actively supports and collaborates with Kesha's r-pist Kesha's new album isn't even pop, they're not on the same playing field. It's one thing when you guys uplift someone like Gaga in favor of someone like Katy, but indirectly siding with an abuser against their victim is just disgusting. How is she the abuser? I am not supporting no one on the case.Ā I just pointed out that how can someones career (whoĀ is clearly on the rise)Ā be ended by someone whose career trajectory is clearly declining. Not a read, just a fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillieGOAT 5,110 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 16 hours ago, Railing said: Why are we using achievements as a metric in which artist is superior when Kim actively supports and collaborates with Kesha's r-pist Kesha's new album isn't even pop, they're not on the same playing field. It's one thing when you guys uplift someone like Gaga in favor of someone like Katy, but indirectly siding with an abuser against their victim is just disgusting. my reply had no reference to Kesha. I was just refutingĀ the claim that everyone hates Unholy.. the songĀ hasĀ over a billion streams. Someone had to listen to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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