Melanie Martinez

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Melanie dropped the music video for 'LEECHES'! 

 

 

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Melanie dropped the music video for 'LEECHES'! 

 

 

Loved the video! But I'm kinda turned off her a little bit lately 

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17 minutes ago, hELXIG said:

Loved the video! But I'm kinda turned off her a little bit lately 

I totally get it. I'm gonna remain neutral about the situation. There's no telling what the truth is and I can only hope, should more information come out, it's not something damning but rather more explanatory, and that both parties are truly on good terms.

Melanie has done some things in the past that turned me off, like the whole NFT collection, for example.

Edited March 30, 2025 by artdoll

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16 minutes ago, artdoll said:

I totally get it. I'm gonna remain neutral about the situation. There's no telling what the truth is and I can only hope, should more information come out, it's not something damning but rather more explanatory, and that both parties are truly on good terms.

Melanie has done some things in the past that turned me off, like the whole NFT collection, for example.

For me it's the NFTs, cheap jewellery she sold for crazy prices, low quality expensive merch (and lots of it), and the whole nasty thing with Verde. The way she posted with her new BF and immediately posted the dog that Verde said she disallowed him from seeing I was getting major mean girl energy. And the way she wrote her typical 'love and light, everyone is mutually happy, I wish the best' speil I got weird vibes idk. It kinda made me question everything. I've always wondered how legit her spirituality is, people said years ago it's just a way for her to avoid ever taking accountability and that she literally thinks she's a 'superior being', and I dismissed it, but I felt like she let the mask slip for a second and now I can't unsee it. Also all of her friends over the years have either left or been cut off. I thought it was odd when Cottontail (who was a longtime friend of hers) and Lucy Loone left the scene and refused to mention her on Instagram lives but acted kinda shady about it. I dismissed it all back then but now I just wonder if she has everyone in her life sign strict NDAs. Also the way Verde's story was taken down immediately makes me think she threatened legal action. Doesn't sound very love and light to me. I've defended her for years but I'm starting to question everything now

And then Leeches coming out.. it makes me wonder if it really is everyone in her life leeching from her or if she's been the problem all along    trying to remain neutral for now but it's a very bitter taste

Edited March 30, 2025 by hELXIG

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10 minutes ago, hELXIG said:

For me it's the NFTs, cheap jewellery she sold for crazy prices, low quality expensive merch (and lots of it), and the whole nasty thing with Verde. The way she posted with her new BF and immediately posted the dog that Verde said she disallowed him from seeing I was getting major mean girl energy. And the way she wrote her typical 'love and light, everyone is mutually happy, I wish the best' speil I got weird vibes idk. It kinda made me question everything. I've always wondered how legit her spirituality is, people said years ago it's just a way for her to avoid ever taking accountability and that she literally thinks she's a 'superior being', and I dismissed it, but I felt like she let the mask slip for a second and now I can't unsee it. Also all of her friends over the years have either left or been cut off. I thought it was odd when Cottontail (who was a longtime friend of hers) and Lucy Loone left the scene and refused to mention her on Instagram lives but acted kinda shady about it. I dismissed it all back then but now I just wonder if she has everyone in her life sign strict NDAs. Also the way Verde's story was taken down immediately makes me think she threatened legal action. Doesn't sound very love and light to me. I've defended her for years but I'm starting to question everything now

This is why stanning is toxic weee. I just listen to her music, idc who she is personally lmao

The only artist I still stan is MJ 'cause he can never disappoint me  

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The Leeches video was interesting, not what I expected but I did however expect her to be in it. I'm not quite sure the reasoning behind that.

I'm not bothered by what is going on in her personal life, that's her life to live. 

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37 minutes ago, hELXIG said:

For me it's the NFTs, cheap jewellery she sold for crazy prices, low quality expensive merch (and lots of it), and the whole nasty thing with Verde. The way she posted with her new BF and immediately posted the dog that Verde said she disallowed him from seeing I was getting major mean girl energy. And the way she wrote her typical 'love and light, everyone is mutually happy, I wish the best' speil I got weird vibes idk. It kinda made me question everything. I've always wondered how legit her spirituality is, people said years ago it's just a way for her to avoid ever taking accountability and that she literally thinks she's a 'superior being', and I dismissed it, but I felt like she let the mask slip for a second and now I can't unsee it. Also all of her friends over the years have either left or been cut off. I thought it was odd when Cottontail (who was a longtime friend of hers) and Lucy Loone left the scene and refused to mention her on Instagram lives but acted kinda shady about it. I dismissed it all back then but now I just wonder if she has everyone in her life sign strict NDAs. Also the way Verde's story was taken down immediately makes me think she threatened legal action. Doesn't sound very love and light to me. I've defended her for years but I'm starting to question everything now

I completely forgot about the jewelry, the only leg it stands on is that it was handmade by Melanie herself, but even then I don't know if the materials used justified the price, handmade or not.  I only have surface-level knowledge on what occurred, but I get what you're saying, for sure. When I saw that comment you're referring to in which she replied to that fan asking about Verde, I read it with an almost "stop asking about it" tone in my head? If that makes sense. As for her spirituality, I like to think she genuinely is spiritual but not in a traditional sense? But for people to claim she uses her beliefs as an excuse to not take accountability for her actions is a sentiment that could be applied to literally any celebrity ever, if we're being honest. I think I remember something about Lucy & Cottontail, since I believe they were all roommates at one point, right? I'm not too sure what happened there though, so I can't really comment on it. I believe she's still in contact and works with some OGs though, like William (her hairdresser/wig stylist since Cry Baby), for example. I'd like to believe that Melanie isn't the type of person to make anyone sign an NDA if they have a disagreement or choose to end whatever relationship they have with each other. But, I also have a strong feeling that a lot of people Melanie has befriended are the types of people who would rather drop it and move on than sit on it and milk it for what it's worth, more so specifically if they are actually close to her like Lucy and Cottontail were. As for Verde taking down his story fast, I don't think Melanie would threaten him with legal action. I think he did that on his own terms, Melanie's fans can be incredibly toxic and I wouldn't doubt it for a second if he started receiving hate for posting anything at all. But the part where he claims that she sent her manager over to speak with him and handle stuff sounded a bit off. I would like to believe that maybe she had no idea how to go about speaking with him (maybe a fight? ) or perhaps she was taking the breakup really badly and this new guy is a rebound or something. I've become less invested in Melanie as a person over the last couple of years (namely since 2021/2) so I totally get where you're coming from. If need be, you can always separate the art from the artist in this instance. No one is worth your mental well-being. Especially not celebrities or whatever drama they may be in.

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5 minutes ago, PartySick said:

This is why stanning is toxic weee. I just listen to her music, idc who she is personally lmao

The only artist I still stan is MJ 'cause he can never disappoint me  

Stanning isn't inherently toxic. Artists like Gaga and Melanie write their music directly about their life experiences and points of view. Who they are as people shines a huge light of context over their work. If it were confirmed she was a terrible person behind the scenes, how could I listen to Leeches or Show & Tell ever again knowing how fake they are? Unfortunately for some people like myself, our enjoyment of the music is directly tied to the artist as a person. Which is probably why I only listen to a handful of artists

Edit: PS I also don't like supporting bad people. Every stream I know the money is going to a terrible person I just feel moral guilt

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17 minutes ago, PartySick said:

This is why stanning is toxic weee

I definitely learned this lesson a few years ago. I strongly agree. I think a healthy para-social relationship is most ideal but even that sounds a bit like an oxymoron lol.

17 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I just listen to her music, idc who she is personally lmao

This is the only part that lowkey gets me though, I don't want to blindly support just anyone either. Before I become a "fan" I at least like to do some research and see if they're a decent person and where their morals lie tbh. I know, it's probably super weird, but it's something I do. 

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4 minutes ago, hELXIG said:

Stanning isn't inherently toxic. Artists like Gaga and Melanie write their music directly about their life experiences and points of view. Who they are as people shines a huge light of context over their work. If it were confirmed she was a terrible person behind the scenes, how could I listen to Leeches or Show & Tell ever again knowing how fake they are? Unfortunately for some people like myself, our enjoyment of the music is directly tied to the artist as a person. Which is probably why I only listen to a handful of artists

Edit: PS I also don't like supporting bad people. Every stream I know the money is going to a terrible person I just feel moral guilt

You pretty much encapsulated the thoughts I've had for many years but struggled to put them into word actually. I too listen to a handful of artists and tend to become a "stan" after learning more about them and being able to relate and connect with them through their art and music. So for Melanie any controversy is especially hard since she has been such an important, influential and impactful artist for me since her debut album.

And yes, I too feel that guilt of supporting an unsavory person. I just remind myself that my 1-3 streams amount to maybe 0.00001% of a penny that they'll ever see. Since, y'know, streaming paying artists dust and all.

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10 minutes ago, Joshie S said:

The Leeches video was interesting, not what I expected but I did however expect her to be in it. I'm not quite sure the reasoning behind that.

Yeah, I was actually expecting something else? But, I like it for what it is. It's definitely interesting and makes you think a bit, if the whole befriending a literal leech wasn't so obvious though lol - Although, you could argue that she doesn't actually see the leech as a leech, and that we as the viewer can see the person for their true colors, a leech.

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Just now, artdoll said:

I completely forgot about the jewelry, the only leg it stands on is that it was handmade by Melanie herself, but even then I don't know if the materials used justified the price, handmade or not.  I only have surface-level knowledge on what occurred, but I get what you're saying, for sure. When I saw that comment you're referring to in which she replied to that fan asking about Verde, I read it with an almost "stop asking about it" tone in my head? If that makes sense. As for her spirituality, I like to think she genuinely is spiritual but not in a traditional sense? But for people to claim she uses her beliefs as an excuse to not take accountability for her actions is a sentiment that could be applied to literally any celebrity ever, if we're being honest. I think I remember something about Lucy & Cottontail, since I believe they were all roommates at one point, right? I'm not too sure what happened there though, so I can't really comment on it. I believe she's still in contact and works with some OGs though, like William (her hairdresser/wig stylist since Cry Baby), for example. I'd like to believe that Melanie isn't the type of person to make anyone sign an NDA if they have a disagreement or choose to end whatever relationship they have with each other. But, I also have a strong feeling that a lot of people Melanie has befriended are the types of people who would rather drop it and move on then sit on it and milk it for what it's worth, more so specifically if they are actually close to her like Lucy and Cottontail were. As for Verde taking down his story fast, I don't think Melanie would threaten him with legal action. I think he did that on his own terms, Melanie's fans can be incredibly toxic and I wouldn't doubt it for a second if he started receiving hate for posting anything at all. But the part where he claims that she sent her manager over to speak with him and handle stuff sounded a bit off. I would like to believe that maybe she had no idea how to go about speaking with him (maybe a fight? ) or perhaps she was taking the breakup really badly and this new guy is a rebound or something. I've become less invested in Melanie as a person over the last couple of years (namely since 2021/2) so I totally get where you're coming from. If need be, you can always separate the art from the artist in this instance. No one is worth your mental well-being. Especially not celebrities or whatever drama they may be in.

Exactly. With things like the jewellery I made excuses like that for her but I'm not sure anymore. Not to **** on anyone elses beliefs, but I honestly think her diving so deep into spirituality changed her for the worst. The fact she's been told she's a 'higher being' and mentioned this before screams superiority complex. I wish she just got a proper therapist instead of that first spiritualist Raven who completely indoctrinated her  

They did all live together in her house with the heart shaped pool, but they randomly both moved out one day and said on live it was very sudden so they both have to move back home for a bit and get on their feet. I honestly thought they were taking advantage of Melanie because neither seemed to have a job, and when Leeches came out I actually thought it was about them. But to be fair to all parties, it's very hard living with friends and it often ends badly

Yeah you're right, her fans probably bullied the **** out of him. We don't know how much to believe from Verde but I always got a good vibe from him. I saw him at her show taking pics and thought he seemed so calm and sweet, but you never know. If what he said is true about the manager and the dogs and how quickly she moved on to this new guy, I was already disappointed. But for her to then immediately post stories of her and her new bf together and walking the dog she won't let him see.. that is nasty, vindictive, mean girl ****. Then it was immediately back to the spiritualism positivity stuff which felt so off

I'm not an immature 12 year old fan who's gonna burn everything and hate her. It feels more like when someone you care about has disappointed you. You still love them, but it's hard to unsee it all. Just disappointment. And I'll still listen to her music but I just haven't been naturally feeling like listening to it lately  

7 minutes ago, artdoll said:

You pretty much encapsulated the thoughts I've had for many years but struggled to put them into word actually. I too listen to a handful of artists and tend to become a "stan" after learning more about them and being able to relate and connect with them through their art and music. So for Melanie any controversy is especially hard since she has been such an important, influential and impactful artist for me since her debut album.

And yes, I too feel that guilt of supporting an unsavory person. I just remind myself that my 1-3 streams amount to maybe 0.00001% of a penny that they'll ever see. Since, y'know, streaming paying artists dust and all.

Yeah it's very hard to take these things on board when they've been so influential to you. I know these are parasocial relationships but it still affects you because this person has influenced our lives and their voice has been in the background so much for so long. If they're actually evil like R Kelly and P Diddy, even if I like the music I'll delete it and never look back. But it's not like the end of the world is someone is just a bitch  

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13 minutes ago, hELXIG said:

Stanning isn't inherently toxic. Artists like Gaga and Melanie write their music directly about their life experiences and points of view. Who they are as people shines a huge light of context over their work. If it were confirmed she was a terrible person behind the scenes, how could I listen to Leeches or Show & Tell ever again knowing how fake they are? Unfortunately for some people like myself, our enjoyment of the music is directly tied to the artist as a person. Which is probably why I only listen to a handful of artists

Edit: PS I also don't like supporting bad people. Every stream I know the money is going to a terrible person I just feel moral guilt

I think getting emotionally invested in a total stranger, even if it is an artist, is toxic to yourself tbh.

I mean, over the past year or so I've had a couple total crash outs over how disappointed I've been in Gaga 'cause I put too much of myself into her sphere  I've torn up my stan card and learned to see her as a singer and nothing more and I can actually enjoy her music again  

I never got to know Melanie beyond what she put in her music or in a video and I'm definitely cool with it staying like that so hurt feelings or a sour taste don't take away some of my favorite music.

10 minutes ago, artdoll said:

And yes, I too feel that guilt of supporting an unsavory person. I just remind myself that my 1-3 streams amount to maybe 0.00001% of a penny that they'll ever see. Since, y'know, streaming paying artists dust and all.

This is why y'all gotta get into being pie-rats🏴‍☠️ 

I shamelessly jam to R. Kelly, David Bowie, and probably a few others who I can't think of rn despite the fact that they are/were predators or otherwise bad people. I keep the music, they get nothing.

16 minutes ago, artdoll said:

This is the only part that lowkey gets me though, I don't want to blindly support just anyone either. Before I become a "fan" I at least like to do some research and see if they're a decent person and where their morals lie tbh. I know, it's probably super weird, but it's something I do. 

Lately I've been saying "the less I know about them the better"  

I've discovered a ton of new artists lately who create incredible music. I don't wanna get wrapped up in them as people anymore. I got my own things going on. 

I've also just kinda learned to value strangers less? If that makes sense. Like, who cares if I like a song from an artist who isn't great. I'm not trying to be their friend, I just wanna listen to their music. Otherwise they can f*ck off

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8 minutes ago, hELXIG said:

Exactly. With things like the jewellery I made excuses like that for her but I'm not sure anymore. Not to **** on anyone elses beliefs, but I honestly think her diving so deep into spirituality changed her for the worst. The fact she's been told she's a 'higher being' and mentioned this before screams superiority complex. I wish she just got a proper therapist instead of that first spiritualist Raven who completely indoctrinated her  

Yeah, I don't want to say I wrote those things off as that would imply I ignored them, because I didn't. Rather I acknowledged they happened, wasn't excited about it, didn't support it and moved on. Especially in regards to those business ventures of her with the NFTs and the jewelry. I think the saying that anything in excess is bad for you would probably be appropriate here. I strongly believe that Melanie seriously struggles with fame and how it has more than likely exacerbated her anxiety and probably caused a toll on her mental health. Her fanbase is rabid. It literally says so on her official pages. And they wouldn't hesitate to turn around and bite her either. As for Raven, if I recall correctly, I think Mel once said that Raven told her (pre-fame) that she would become a star and then when it happened, she continued to go back to her. This is going to sound absolutely HORRIBLE on my part, so please forgive me, but I would not at all for a second be surprised if Raven just said that for the sake of it and then when it happened, Melanie became increasingly invested in what Raven had to say and maybe even pick it up for herself. These two things combined lead me to believe the spirituality she is quite vocal about might just be an escape for her, one that has, to our knowledge never made her unhappy.

15 minutes ago, hELXIG said:

They did all live together in her house with the heart shaped pool, but they randomly both moved out one day and said on live it was very sudden so they both have to move back home for a bit and get on their feet. I honestly thought they were taking advantage of Melanie because neither seemed to have a job, and when Leeches came out I actually thought it was about them. But to be fair to all parties, it's very hard living with friends and it often ends badly

Yeah I think this is more than likely what occurred, they were probably really good friends and thought "what could be better than living with my besties?" and when they moved in they realized that they were not the match made in heaven they thought they were and decided to split apart. You truly come to find out who someone is when you live with them. That's a whole different playing field lol -- Hopefully they're on good terms with each other though. They probably don't speak about it because they hold no malice and are probably hurt things didn't work out? 

19 minutes ago, hELXIG said:

Yeah you're right, her fans probably bullied the **** out of him. We don't know how much to believe from Verde but I always got a good vibe from him. I saw him at her show taking pics and thought he seemed so calm and sweet, but you never know. If what he said is true about the manager and the dogs and how quickly she moved on to this new guy, I was already disappointed. But for her to then immediately post stories of her and her new bf together and walking the dog she won't let him see.. that is nasty, vindictive, mean girl ****. Then it was immediately back to the spiritualism positivity stuff which felt so off

I'm not an immature 12 year old fan who's gonna burn everything and hate her. It feels more like when someone you care about has disappointed you. You still love them, but it's hard to unsee it all. Just disappointment. And I'll still listen to her music but I just haven't been naturally feeling like listening to it lately  

Yeah... As unfortunate as it may be, I think the reality is that her fans attacked him and he turned everything off for his own well being. We can only go based off the very little context and information we were given. For all we know it could be something as extreme as Verde cheating and Melanie trying to get back at him. Maybe he wasn't as good as we once thought, heck, maybe it's the opposite way around. We have no clue and probably never will tbh.

And yes, I agree. It's more of a disappointing thing to witness someone who you care about be in this kind of situation? But since we don't know details we can't say much. As for the merch destroying... we lost so many Melanie relics lol all that OG merch and CDs/Vinyls. oof.