Prominent Hogwarts Legacy voice actor alt-right activist

[Benji 20,113]

4 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Is it not accurate though?

You assume that playing a Harry Potter game equates to endorsing and funding alt-right freaks so of course people are going to say the same thing about all the problematic things we all (you included) give money to every single day.

If being a HP fan makes someone a fake ally or a self hating member of the LGBT community, then using Twitter makes you a Nazi, using an iPhone makes you a supporter of slavery, driving a car makes you an eco-terrorist, etc etc.

Whataboutism has it's place and this debate is one of them

 

Resigning to “I’m not thinking about what I do or can do because everything is sh*t” isn’t a mature point to make.

[PartySick 144,830]

4 minutes ago, Benji said:

Drawing comparisons to the very structure of modern day society in our communications and devices is a false equivalence because they’re tools needed to stay informed and be contactable.

Ok then, how about the ARTPOP bit of my post?

I just see your stance as very rigid and unforgiving 'cause, again, consuming something does not mean you endorse the beliefs or stances of everyone involved in its creation

I am positive if you listed everything you enjoy as a form of entertainment or recreation, we could find plenty of problematic people behind so many of them. But does that make you a bad person? Does that mean you're not allowed to like those things? Of course not.

It's that whole "separate the art from the artist" deal. Some people can do it, others can't. If you can't, great. But not everybody shares your same line in the sand.

Just now, Benji said:

Resigning to “I’m not thinking about what I do or can do because everything is sh*t” isn’t a mature point to make.

I-

That's not even what I said

I think you're the one with the cynical view here tbh.

[Cameltoe Chariot 14,253]

7 minutes ago, Benji said:

Asking people to think twice about who/what they’re supporting isn’t asking for absolute ethical consumption though. 

 

5 minutes ago, Benji said:

If people discussing ethical consumption of a game drives “allies” away they wouldn’t have been allies.

You can try to rewrite the narrative here but the thread history shows you being condescending, threatening judgement, insinuating people are self-hating community members or fake allies, and drawing a line in the sand where you say HP fans are contributing to the anti-trans movement.

You are not asking. You are not discussing. You are demanding people agree with you and follow the orders of your "movement". Newsflash: 90% of the world is cis and straight and they have zero obligation to give a sh*t about us. When they do, but are met with a weird and obsessive force online trying to cancel Hogwarts Legacy, they're gonna go "...okay?" and tune us out.

You lost all credibility when you tried to argue that twitter use is somehow justified.

[LeafBug 7,265]

2 minutes ago, Benji said:

If people discussing ethical consumption of a game drives “allies” away they wouldn’t have been allies.

Allies don’t withdraw support of a community because they disagree on one point.  It’s like someone defending their racism because of one guy of a different ethnicity committing a crime.  It’s not a defence.

And the world isn’t black and white. People don’t think the same way or agree on every single issue. HP is a part of many millennials childhood and it’s obvious (by the amount of support) they are not going to rip it out so easily simply because of JK Rowling. In fact, the support for the game rose because of this. I think your efforts would benefit the trans community more if focused elsewhere rather than shaming them over something they don’t care enough to change. To them, the JK Rowling thing simply isn’t significant enough. The more you antagonize them, the more you drive them away. And trust me, they are the ones who vote left. 

[PartySick 144,830]

13 minutes ago, Cow said:

This whole controversy drove sales up.  Think carefully about why that is. And it’s nothing to do with the right because most gamers are young and somewhat progressive. What I’m more concerned about isn’t Jk Rowling, but we’re driving would-be allies away. 

I've disagreed with this kind of stance for a while, actually.

This is the same thing people say to excuse Rowling of her awful beliefs. They say the left "drove her into the arms of the alt-right" by criticizing her when truthfully, she's just a bigot and nobody is responsible for her bigotry except for her.

If people shy away from supporting the queer community just 'cause some people ask them to boycott a Harry Potter game then those people weren't really valuable allies in the first place

[Benji 20,113]

Just now, PartySick said:

Ok then, how about the ARTPOP bit of my post?

I just see your stance as very rigid and unforgiving 'cause, again, consuming something does not mean you endorse the beliefs or stances of everyone involved in its creation

I am positive if you listed everything you enjoy as a form of entertainment or recreation, we could find plenty of problematic people behind so many of them. But does that make you a bad person? Does that mean you're not allowed to like those things? Of course not.

It's that whole "separate the art from the artist" deal. Some people can do it, others can't. If you can't, great. But not everybody shares your same line in the sand.

Well, for one you literally can’t legally stream the problematic songs on ARTPOP  I’ve pirated the likes of Nicki and Azealia because I don’t want them profiting off me enjoying a couple of songs - something I’ve actually said people should do with this game!

[Benji 20,113]

4 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I-

That's not even what I said

I think you're the one with the cynical view here tbh.

It’s in reply of how people respond to this thread;

“Don’t play the game”

Oh but you use a phone and have social media!!  This makes every point about ethical consumption invalid

 

 

like noooooo lol

[LeafBug 7,265]

Just now, PartySick said:

I've disagreed with this kind of stance for a while, actually.

This is the same thing people say to excuse Rowling of her awful beliefs. They say the left "drove her into the arms of the alt-right" by criticizing her when truthfully, she's just a bigot and nobody is responsible for her bigotry except for her.

If people shy away from supporting the queer community just 'cause some people ask them to boycott a Harry Potter game then those people weren't really valuable allies in the first place

Even if you don’t consider them valuable allies, they probably voted for Biden instead of Trump. (Using America as an example) Us LGBTQ’s need their support even if their values do not completely align with ours. Anyway, I don’t have anything else to add to this conversation. Just remember you don’t get sympathy by telling people off. 

[Benji 20,113]

4 minutes ago, Cameltoe Chariot said:

 

You can try to rewrite the narrative here but the thread history shows you being condescending, threatening judgement, insinuating people are self-hating community members or fake allies, and drawing a line in the sand where you say HP fans are contributing to the anti-trans movement.

You are not asking. You are not discussing. You are demanding people agree with you and follow the orders of your "movement". Newsflash: 90% of the world is cis and straight and they have zero obligation to give a sh*t about us. When they do, but are met with a weird and obsessive force online trying to cancel Hogwarts Legacy, they're gonna go "...okay?" and tune us out.

You lost all credibility when you tried to argue that twitter use is somehow justified.

I’m not rewriting the narrative - I have told you I’m judging you and I mean that!  I literally endorsed how to ethically consume this product on the first page, I do judge people buying the game!

[Reginald 13,830]

Not surprised in the slightest. The HP fandom has seen a huge influx of conservatives, alt-right, and N*zis, no matter how much the original fanbase doesn't want to admit it. 

These alt-right people now see JKR as a voice of validation for their bigotry.

 

Continuing to support JKR and the Wizarding World is normalizing her hatred. Most HP fans are in their late 20s minimum. I was a fan since Chamber of Secrets. It's way beyond time to unattach yourself from these books about 12 year old wizards.

 

[PartySick 144,830]

3 minutes ago, Benji said:

Well, for one you literally can’t legally stream the problematic songs on ARTPOP  I’ve pirated the likes of Nicki and Azealia because I don’t want them profiting off me enjoying a couple of songs - something I’ve actually said people should do with this game!

Yeah, not now 

But did you buy the album when it came out? Or stream it then? Also, I'm....70% sure Kelly gets paid for the Xtina version as well (but don't quote me on that ). And it's not like he's the only problematic person in her discography either. There's plenty, as with most artists.

And good! It's good that you're picky about that kind of stuff, I hope people can pirate too if they can't resist playing, but you can't expect everyone else to jump through those same hoops.

1 minute ago, Benji said:

It’s in reply of how people respond to this thread;

“Don’t play the game”

Oh but you use a phone and have social media!!  This makes every point about ethical consumption invalid

 

 

like noooooo lol

I mean, I literally said that I agree with your sentiment, I just think you're far too rigid with it when it comes to expecting others to meet your standards.

[Chromatography 9,883]

2 minutes ago, Benji said:

Well, for one you literally can’t legally stream the problematic songs on ARTPOP  I’ve pirated the likes of Nicki and Azealia because I don’t want them profiting off me enjoying a couple of songs - something I’ve actually said people should do with this game!

people writing novels, when it’s as simple as not lining the pockets of a hateful transphobe with their money. you can still enjoy the game, the memories, etc etc AND make a conscious effort to not monetarily support people like that. it’s weird how adamant people are getting with defending their choice of buying this game. like if you like it etc and don’t feel bad about directly and indirectly supporting JK, then great, but the vehemence suggests maybe they do feel a bit bad, like you said. 

[TortureMeOnReplay 5,799]

7 minutes ago, Benji said:

Asking people to think twice about who/what they’re supporting isn’t asking for absolute ethical consumption though.  Drawing comparisons to the very structure of modern day society in our communications and devices is a false equivalence because they’re tools needed to stay informed and be contactable.

Also, you’ve completely lost me on the Nazi comparison.  If you are paying for products and helping someone literally donate to the Nazis… you would for sure deserve to be criticised for it.

The thing is that this is beyond making people think twice. Most that are fans of Harry Potter know about Rowling. And they've weighed the impact of their purchase. It's funny that your political cartoon talks about the flaws in society yet you use society as your justification for the use of smartphones and the internet. Finding something more fundamental than something else based on personal belief is its own fallacy.

4 minutes ago, Benji said:

If people discussing ethical consumption of a game drives “allies” away they wouldn’t have been allies.

Allies don’t withdraw support of a community because they disagree on one point.  It’s like someone defending their racism because of one guy of a different ethnicity committing a crime.  It’s not a defence.

If I weren't part of the LGBT community and one of my interactions with people who are allies/part of the community/have the trans flag in their name was them spoiling the game for me, I'd be turned away from being an ally. If I was chastised and judged constantly for my decision to spend money on something that's gotten me through rough times in my life  I'd be turned off from being an ally. What people don't understand or don't care to emphasize with is that this IP has gotten people through some dark things as kids/teens. If not just brought joy. People have always envisioned Hogwarts and dreamt of it as kids, and this is the closest they'll get to experiencing a manifestation of that without paying for a plane and theme park ticket. The trans community and "allies" are purposefully depriving others of joy because they've decided that their feelings are more important than others'. And that's what's really bothered me about the attack on this game. I've put maybe $3 in Rowling's pocket, which effectively does nothing. But at the same time I've put $100s into the pockets of charities who's missions are to advance LGBT rights. 

[PartySick 144,830]

4 minutes ago, Cow said:

Even if you don’t consider them valuable allies, they probably voted for Biden instead of Trump. (Using America as an example) Us LGBTQ’s need their support even if their values do not completely align with ours. Anyway, I don’t have anything else to add to this conversation. Just remember you don’t get sympathy by telling people off. 

We don't need flaky allies

Someone who's swayed by something as trivial as this would flake over something else stupid eventually. I know what you mean, but I don't think we need to cater to them.

Same about having nothing else to add though 

Making my graceful exit now

[TortureMeOnReplay 5,799]

7 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I've disagreed with this kind of stance for a while, actually.

This is the same thing people say to excuse Rowling of her awful beliefs. They say the left "drove her into the arms of the alt-right" by criticizing her when truthfully, she's just a bigot and nobody is responsible for her bigotry except for her.

If people shy away from supporting the queer community just 'cause some people ask them to boycott a Harry Potter game then those people weren't really valuable allies in the first place

I had the game spoiled for me by a trans individual whose intent was to "punish" players for buying the game and supporting Rowling. This is something widespread to every social platform at the moment to the point people have disengaged from those social communities.As part of the LGBT community I understand the hurt they have from her statements and I see the inequality they experience. But others, particularly those more self-involved and less socially aware, will not see that. And that's where the local minority is turning away would be allies. By giving a foul first impression.