Macron will not ask for ‘forgiveness’ over the colonization of Algeria

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11 minutes ago, alecks said:

This. Colonization was inevitable and widespread. Why is no one currently pointing fingers at the Dutch or Spaniards? The Romans? The Turks? The Portuguese? There’s always a focus on the UK and US and now France as if they were the only culprits. 

Put the spotlight on all of them. Just cause a few aren’t being focused on doesn’t mean we should just ignore/forget the rest. That’s not very sound logic 

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2 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

Put the spotlight on all of them. Just cause a few aren’t being focused on doesn’t mean we should just ignore/forget the rest. That’s not very sound logic 

I mean, it’s not very sound logic to blame people alive today for something their ancestors did. Imagine someone demanding you pay back money your great grandfather stole? Or even someone as recent as your father stole? Yes, it was wrong, but can you change the past?

By that logic you could also say gay people have a case for demanding reparations for all the hate crimes they suffered for centuries, as well as the millions that died in the Holocaust. 

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Not people defending France's colonization of Algeria.  

France's colonization of Algeria was ESPECIALLY brutal. They literally massacered millions of Algerians. It was more like a genocide. At one point, because they killed so many Algeriens, some of the cities were starting to have French / European plurality / near majority. That's how bad it was yall. It was EXTREMELY brutal and they did not even give Algerians human rights and citzenship or anything. They only offered that towards the end of the brutal colonization. 

How rude and HOW DARE YOU say it was ok and just how things were. NO. Not all colonies were treated the way Algeria was and Algeria's colonization is still TOO RECENT to act like its some obscure middle ages type of thing. This was very recent. People are still alive from that period and also the consequences of the colonization are still felt to this day.

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10 minutes ago, alecks said:

I mean, it’s not very sound logic to blame people alive today for something their ancestors did. Imagine someone demanding you pay back money your great grandfather stole? Or even someone as recent as your father stole? Yes, it was wrong, but can you change the past?

By that logic you could also say gay people have a case for demanding reparations for all the hate crimes they suffered for centuries, as well as the millions that died in the Holocaust. 

But it’s perfectly fine for you to benefit from colonization. 

The entire modern West is built upon free labor from slavery domestic and abroad. 

“PAY UP or SHUT UP” is my attitude for colonizers. 

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9 minutes ago, alecks said:

I mean, it’s not very sound logic to blame people alive today for something their ancestors did. Imagine someone demanding you pay back money your great grandfather stole? Or even someone as recent as your father stole? Yes, it was wrong, but can you change the past?

By that logic you could also say gay people have a case for demanding reparations for all the hate crimes they suffered for centuries, as well as the millions that died in the Holocaust. 

Uh if my dad stole someone’s car and then gave it to me for my birthday, and the original owner came asking for it back, I’d give it back cause it wasn’t really mine nor my father’s to begin with. 
 

I don’t see why marginalized people asking the descendants of their colonizers for reparations is a bad thing? They’re not asking for their stolen land and wealth back. They’re asking for a piece of the pie back. 

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14 minutes ago, alecks said:

I mean, it’s not very sound logic to blame people alive today for something their ancestors did. Imagine someone demanding you pay back money your great grandfather stole? Or even someone as recent as your father stole? Yes, it was wrong, but can you change the past?

By that logic you could also say gay people have a case for demanding reparations for all the hate crimes they suffered for centuries, as well as the millions that died in the Holocaust. 

Algeria is not asking for reperations at this point. It simply wants a formal apology for France's especially cruel colonization of it. France massacered millions. Additionally, the colonization of Algeria ended not too long ago. There are still tons of people alive from that period. It's horrific. The least France can do is acknowledge its atrocities. We ask Turkey to do the same about the genocide of Armenias that happened a century ago. Why do we not do the same for France's HORRIBLE EVIL actions to Algerians that ended only a few decades ago (It ended in 1962).... or do Algerian lives not matter as much because they are Muslim and North Africa? 

 

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Reminder that FRANCE forced Haiti to pay millions for their freedom. 

Haiti paid REPARATIONS TO FRANCE. 

France owes BILLIONS to the countries they colonized and benefited from. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

But it’s perfectly fine for you to benefit from colonization. 

The entire modern West is built upon free labor from slavery domestic and abroad. 

“PAY UP or SHUT UP” is my attitude for colonizers. 

So what is your proposed solution? Tax everyone alive in Western nations and distribute that to under developed countries? And then how do you determine which countries are under developed because of colonization or other reasons?

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2 minutes ago, alecks said:

So what is your proposed solution? Tax everyone alive in Western nations and distribute that to under developed countries? And then how do you determine which countries are under developed because of colonization or other reasons?

Yes, sir. In an ideal world,  every colonizer country should be paying for their crimes abroad. 

Western countries are ok with benefiting from their ancestor’s crimes but think it’s crazy those affected demand anything. 

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6 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

They’re not asking for their stolen land and wealth back. They’re asking for a piece of the pie back.

And that’s impossible to calculate. There’s absolutely no way of determining how much each person would be owed. I’m all for acknowledging wrong was done, that’s definitely the right thing to do. But we can’t really sit here today when most of these countries have had their independence for decades to centuries and failed to thrive and blame it fully on their former colonizers. 

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4 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Yes, sir. In an ideal world,  every colonizer country should be paying for their crimes abroad. 

Western countries are ok with benefiting from their ancestor’s crimes but think it’s crazy those affected demand anything. 

Only Western ones, huh? Not Russia, China, Japan, even the Polynesians…

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8 minutes ago, alecks said:

Only Western ones, huh? Not Russia, China, Japan, even the Polynesians…

Don't deflect to the East to ignore the West. We are talking about France, so the West is in context. 

Of course Easrtern countries should also pay for their crimes. 

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2 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

It's still better to apologize than to ignore a reality ecen if you can't undo it. We don't have a time machine, the mistakes are ireversibile but this shouldn't give you a pass. 

And the leader of a country is basically a personified version of the country. Macron is the president in an office that wouldn't look or be the same if France didn't colonize Algeria. He has personal responsibility for it. He should speak on behalf on France as a nation and regime as he is the face and leader if the country.

I agree. I'm just saying half the ppl seem to get even more pissed off when a major institution or person does apologize

 

It's like ppl demand an apology but then don't wanna hear it 

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40 minutes ago, alecks said:

I mean, it’s not very sound logic to blame people alive today for something their ancestors did. Imagine someone demanding you pay back money your great grandfather stole? Or even someone as recent as your father stole? Yes, it was wrong, but can you change the past?

By that logic you could also say gay people have a case for demanding reparations for all the hate crimes they suffered for centuries, as well as the millions that died in the Holocaust. 

You can change the future tho, starting by acknowledging what really happened, then teaching the truth in school instead of completely disregarding entire groups of peoples, their history, telling them to move on, and put Algeria under the carpet cause it doesn't look nice for your image 

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2 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

As I said, these polities no longer exist so you can't ask money from them. But the former colonial powers still exist and they are the same they were a few decades ago.

i mean the kingdom of denmark still exists... as does the kingdom of sweden. every former power exists in some form. the issue is that it's almost never-ending. everyone is owed reparations from somebody. however vicious, disgusting and abysmal it is, war and murder is something human beings have been doing for millennia.