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Gender neutral BRIT awards only give 33% of nominations to women


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23 minutes ago, Benji said:

What has Sam Smith released recently that belongs in any category :ladyhaha:

you could say the same about a lot who did get nominated

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1 hour ago, Togekiss said:

I get your sentiment but this kind of overlooks the core issue here which is that the voting body itself is biased towards men/against women in general.

But is it? This is the second year. Adele won last year in its first year. It’s human nature for people to try to blame every facet when things don’t go their way. Especially on this site, where women pop singers are definetely favored over men. Time and time again; when a man wins an award here, and not someone’s female fav, - there is outrage and blame on “society” or white men in general. White men aren’t ruling the charts. The biggest selling acts of the last couple years have been people like Taylor, Adele, Drake. Sam is non binary. The most awarded have been people like Adele and Beyonce.
 

Other things that happen here: When Beyonce wins, she is “overrated”. When Adele wins it’s “how did this person who only stands and sings wins?” If Harry wins its “how did this gay-baiting white male win?” It’s always some issue to blame. 
 

This type of logic of finding blame and Inventing blame because your fave doesn’t always win is simply human nature. We are ruining people’s artistic expression by giving out participation awards. Instead of looking for art, we are looking for representation. 

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9 minutes ago, NCgaga said:

But is it? This is the second year. Adele won last year in its first year. It’s human nature for people to try to blame every facet when things don’t go their way. Especially on this site, where women pop singers are definetely favored over men. Time and time again; when a man wins an award here, and not someone’s female fav, - there is outrage and blame on “society” or white men in general. White men aren’t ruling the charts. The biggest selling acts of the last couple years have been people like Taylor, Adele, Drake. Sam is non binary. The most awarded have been people like Adele and Beyonce.
 

Other things that happen here: When Beyonce wins, she is “overrated”. When Adele wins it’s “how did this person who only stands and sings wins?” If Harry wins its “how did this gay-baiting white male win?” It’s always some issue to blame. 
 

This type of logic of finding blame and Inventing blame because your fave doesn’t always win is simply human nature. We are ruining people’s artistic expression by giving out participation awards. Instead of looking for art, we are looking for representation. 

To be clear I’m not saying the wrong people won or anything, I didn’t follow the awards at all. I was just trying to point out the underlying biases that might be at the core of the issue here.

There’s an interesting intersection here with the debate about trans athletes, that being that competition is inherently unfair and any attempt at addressing the issue will inherently leave somebody dissatisfied.

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Monstermilo

we knew this was gonna happen 

just have male and female lol 

our society is just not that evolved yet lol 

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I personally agree with gender neutral awards, but maybe they need to give proportion like 30-70% male 30-70% female 0-40% enby in every category.

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Stef666

How do we know this is gender bias and not the actual state of things? I'm tired of this representation for the sake of representation narrative. What if there're actually more male actors than females? Not everything is discrimination and sexism just because things aren't 50/50. Some of y'all need to leave your woke bubbles.

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10 hours ago, insight said:

Poor thing and his feelings 🙄

I think their feelings are valid, trans feelings are valid, don't you think??

but I also think that award shows need to learn a lot before creating gender nutral categories, they're not ready for that change and we can see it OG post.

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5 hours ago, Monstermilo said:

we knew this was gonna happen 

just have male and female lol 

our society is just not that evolved yet lol 

or better: male, femele and non binary

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RichAssPiss

BAFTA basically went small committee to avoid this kind of issue. They don't trust their own membership to not be discriminatory. 

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14 hours ago, bionic said:

according to the article the gender-neutral revision was made because sam smith didn't feel they belonged in either the male or female category and would otherwise be excluded.

And you wonder why some women are upset, if I was a woman I probably would be too tbh. There just needs to be a separate category for those who don’t fit into the binary..

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Find it interesting that the perspective of many here seem to be “Well, we can’t be inclusive to gender queer identities because of the patriarchy!”

The problem isn’t non-binary identities, it’s literally the patriarchy. The issue isn’t that gender neutral awards shuts out women, the issue is that the patriarchy does.

I don’t think the solution is seperate awards. The solution is a more difficult and hard fight to keep confronting and challenging the heteronormative patriarchy as well as holding those who prop up the patriarchy accountable.

 

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8 hours ago, Yudhi said:

I personally agree with gender neutral awards, but maybe they need to give proportion like 30-70% male 30-70% female 0-40% enby in every category.

But what about the they/them? :enigma: they dont fit there, too rude :ohwell:

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7 minutes ago, JusticeforVenus said:

But what about the they/them? :enigma: they dont fit there, too rude :ohwell:

That’s why they said: 

8 minutes ago, JusticeforVenus said:

0-40% enby

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gumzy3000

This is why we need to get rid of the whole concept of gender and go only by sex - especially since gender is a social construct. 

If this was indeed because Sam Smith felt "they" were non-binary, does it really change anything about "them" if "they" were to continue to act and dress the way "they" are now but still identifying as a male/man? If anything, the definition of what encompasses a male/man would change and we won't have to categorize everything as either masculine or feminine in the long term. 

I do think what the BRIT awards is trying to accomplish is a step in the right direction, but I think it is much too early for this, unfortunately.

Women only got the right to vote around the last century so we have a ton of patriarchy to unpackage first before a genderless award works. 

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