Israel killed 16 Palestinian Children over the weekend (45 ppl dead total)

[alsemanche 97,799]

Just now, Dennis said:

And why are you lecturing them if you're advocating for similar things, except on bigger scale and in favor of palestinians instead?

You'd be as much of a problem as the ultra-nationalists in Israel who believe Palestine shouldn't exist. More hate is not gonna solve this. Only a peaceful settlement of a two-state solution will.

Your inability to understand basic history and politics is truly amazing 

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[ALittleMonsta 1,529]

I hope this isnt coming off as anti Palestine or anything cuz im not anti palestine, I do not support anything of what Israel does tbh, but I wanted to ask if palestine comes back, what will happen with the jews already living there? Will they stay there, I am just curious how would things work and happen if Palestine does come back (just a question out of curiosity and education)

[Dennis 8,391]

Just now, alsemanche said:

Your inability to understand basic history and politics is truly amazing 

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Whatever history there is doesn't ****ing justify mass displacement or genocide of millions of people who were born on that land. Period. I don't care about history.

And this goes for both israelis and palestinians. Neither side should call for the genocide of the other. And you're doing just that.

[Dennis 8,391]

2 minutes ago, ALittleMonsta said:

I hope this isnt coming off as anti Palestine or anything cuz im not anti palestine, I do not support anything of what Israel does tbh, but I wanted to ask if palestine comes back, what will happen with the jews already living there? Will they stay there, I am just curious how would things work and happen if Palestine does come back (just a question out of curiosity and education)

I guess some fake moralists would like to see Hamas which executes gays and bans women rights take over everything and Israel must not exist in their eyes because you know "history!".

Although I appreciate your care for human rights and the lives of Palestinians, which we all must care about, but don't be intimidated by these radicals. They're just as much of a problem as the ultra nationalists in Israel, except opposite side. Their solution is textbook definition of genocide, wouldn't work and the world wouldn't let it happen.

It'll remain internet fantasy.

[Debithius 6,056]

9 minutes ago, Dennis said:

And why are you lecturing them if you're advocating for similar things, except on bigger scale and in favor of palestinians instead?

You'd be as much of a problem as the ultra-nationalists in Israel who believe Palestine shouldn't exist. More hate is not gonna solve this. Only a peaceful settlement of a two-state solution will.

Dude, it is their country and it was taken away by force. What are you on? If your country was taken away by force, you wouldn't fight back to keep it? 

Stop the victim blaming, stop taking their country.

[ALittleMonsta 1,529]

Just now, Dennis said:

I guess some fake moralists would like to see Hamas which executes gays and bans women rights take over everything and Israel must not exist in their eyes because you know "history!".

Although I appreciate your care for human rights and the lives of Palestinians, which we all must care about, but don't be intimidated by these radicals. They're just as much of a problem as the ultra nationalists in Israel, except opposite side. Their solution is textbook definition of genocide, wouldn't work and the world wouldn't let it happen.

It'll remain internet fantasy.

You seem to be assuming Hamas would be ruling Palestine, which from what I know is false. Hamas is shitty but even many innocent Palestinians disagree with Hamas 

[Dennis 8,391]

 

6 minutes ago, Debithius said:

Dude, it is their country and it was taken away by force. What are on? If your country was taken away by force, you wouldn't fight back to keep it? 

Stop the victim blaming, stop taking their country.

It's 2022. After fleeing Hitler the jews that settled in Palestine are now 75+ year olds and have children and grand children born on that land and didn't know any other home. Your solution is to mass displace millions and abolish an entire state? 
People seem to have lost their sanity, casually advocating for genocide while pretending to be moralist. If you advocate for anything other than a two state solution, you're a radical who believes in a form of genocide, as simple as that. You can read the U.N definition of it. So you should be careful with what you advocate for.

 

[alsemanche 97,799]

Ah yes, here comes the Hamas kills gays argument. I can't

[Dennis 8,391]

 

10 minutes ago, ALittleMonsta said:

You seem to be assuming Hamas would be ruling Palestine, which from what I know is false. Hamas is shitty but even many innocent Palestinians disagree with Hamas 

It's the government in Gaza right now. And Fatah keeps delaying elections because they expect that they'll win the West Bank too. It's the sad reality. Yes some palestinians reject them but they're still popular.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/if-palestinian-elections-proceed-hamas-may-have-upper-hand

[Debithius 6,056]

16 minutes ago, Dennis said:

 

It's 2022. After fleeing Hitler the jews that settled in Palestine are now 75+ year olds and have children and grand children born on that land and didn't know any other home. Your solution is to mass displace millions and abolish an entire state? 
People seem to have lost their sanity, casually advocating for genocide while pretending to be moralist. If you advocate for anything other than a two state solution, you're a radical who believes in a form of genocide, as simple as that. You can read the U.N definition of it. So you should be careful with what you advocate for.

 

So we should be okey with them trying to cleanse a region of their natives? Go figure. 

My dude, Israel doesn't seem to believe in the two state solution themselves. How about they start recognizing the hospitality that was offered to them instead of being horrible guests, biting the hands that fed them.

[Dennis 8,391]

2 minutes ago, Debithius said:

So we should be okey with then trying to cleanse a region of their natives? Go figure.

I am a believer in a two state solution, because both people have a rightful claim to the land. I am not the poster here who's openly calling for the abolition of an entire state and the mass displacement of its entire population (I'll say it again, textbook definition of genocide according to international law).

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36 minutes ago, ALittleMonsta said:

I hope this isnt coming off as anti Palestine or anything cuz im not anti palestine, I do not support anything of what Israel does tbh, but I wanted to ask if palestine comes back, what will happen with the jews already living there? Will they stay there, I am just curious how would things work and happen if Palestine does come back (just a question out of curiosity and education)

It will never happen because they simply don’t have enough power to defeat a powerful force like Israel. USA will never stop funding them. 

[Supersonic 49,376]

38 minutes ago, ALittleMonsta said:

I hope this isnt coming off as anti Palestine or anything cuz im not anti palestine, I do not support anything of what Israel does tbh, but I wanted to ask if palestine comes back, what will happen with the jews already living there? Will they stay there, I am just curious how would things work and happen if Palestine does come back (just a question out of curiosity and education)

I mean... I don't personally think it's worth thinking about the "what ifs" because it's just not gonna happen. Israel is backed by the NATO, they can basically do whatever the f*ck they want. There will be no displaced Jewish people, but there will be millions of further displaced Palestinians, who have no other choice but to leave their homes and flee to neighboring Arab countries, where they're met with a lot of disdain as well. 

The long term prospect of this will really just be further territorial expansion of Israel, displacement of native Palestinian people, more refugees, more resentment, more terrorism, more violent strikes etc. 

The spiral could be VERY easily broken by just... Isreal recognizing native Palestinians, giving them citizenship and equal rights and coming to together as a pluralist, democratic society. But the chance flew out the window in 2018 and when Israel declared itself to be a Jewish ethnostate by law. 

 

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39 minutes ago, Dennis said:

 

It's 2022. After fleeing Hitler the jews that settled in Palestine are now 75+ year olds and have children and grand children born on that land and didn't know any other home. Your solution is to mass displace millions and abolish an entire state? 
People seem to have lost their sanity, casually advocating for genocide while pretending to be moralist. If you advocate for anything other than a two state solution, you're a radical who believes in a form of genocide, as simple as that. You can read the U.N definition of it. So you should be careful with what you advocate for.

 

You say they don't have another home, but without any shame they took the homes of the people who lived there until then.

The logic of two states, advocated by the invaders, fundamentally deprives the people who already live there.

Imagine that 10 people enter your house, they say we used to live on this land, we want half the house.

Would you agree?

[ALittleMonsta 1,529]

1 minute ago, Supersonic said:

I mean... I don't personally think it's worth thinking about the "what ifs" because it's just not gonna happen. Israel is backed by the NATO, they can basically do whatever the f*ck they want. There will be no displaced Jewish people, but there will be millions of further displaced Palestinians, who have no other choice but to leave their homes and flee to neighboring Arab countries, where they're met with a lot of disdain as well. 

The long term prospect of this will really just be further territorial expansion of Israel, displacement of native Palestinian people, more refugees, more resentment, more terrorism, more violent strikes etc. 

The spiral could be VERY easily broken by just... Isreal recognizing native Palestinians, giving them citizenship and equal rights and coming to together as a pluralist, democratic society. But the chance flew out the window in 2018 and when Israel declared itself to be a Jewish ethnostate by law. 

 

I agree with you. They treat non jews and non israelis inequally compared to israelis and jews. The Ethiopians are treated terribly along for example here, they don't get to make a family here. They made Israel a purely jewish (and religious country). Not to mention although it seems to be LGBTQ+ friendly, same-sex marriage is not allowed.