Multiple members of Gaga's OG dance team quit

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3 minutes ago, ModernEcstasy said:

So if Gaga were to fire Richy today, would that mean that she can no longer use his choreography on the tour? 
Or would there be some kind of legality in his contract? 

Gaga still uses the Judas choreo since 2011 even tho Laurianne has been tragically fired since then, so I don’t think so 

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1 minute ago, RenegAde said:

 it's clear some of you are eager to use gaga as a scape goat for some reason. The dancers have made it clear that working with gaga has been nothing but a blessing. its working with richy that has been a problem, if you're truly for the victims then you'd take their word for it,

So because I’m saying Gaga has some responsibility to bear if this is all true, you think I’m not “for the victims” and their well being. Got it.
 

If what we’re hearing is true, this was still happening on her watch. For years. I just don’t think it’s possible she had zero clue about any of this. Do you? 

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Not that my opinion matters in the grand scheme of things, but, I find it hard to believe that Gaga would still allow Richy to be part of the HAUS If she was aware of what he is being accused of. Gaga is a SA survivor herself and I'm sure if she knew about those allegations then she would act on them. Gaga has built a relationship with her dancers over the years and I'm sure she would gladly hear them out about any concerns they may have. I know a lot of you are saying "Gaga must know/must've known" but I genuinely don't think she did. Although she's the boss there are so many people within her camp that overlook and tend to different things for her, and it would be impossible for her to know what everyone is doing within her camp. I absolutely hate this situation to be honest, it's a messy one to say the least, but I don't think it's right that people are holding Gaga accountable. 

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19 minutes ago, ModernEcstasy said:

So if Gaga were to fire Richy today, would that mean that she can no longer use his choreography on the tour? 
Or would there be some kind of legality in his contract? 

I think she can still use the choreo.

From what i know , all creative ideas made during the course of employment stays with the employer. For example, if I worked for a restaurant and made a special dish and it became part of their menu . in a scenario that i ever got fired, the restaurant will still have every right to keep that dish on their menu . 

Besides, she fired laurieann and has been using the choreography regardless 

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Just now, lairofhk said:

So because I’m saying Gaga has some responsibility to bear if this is all true, you think I’m not “for the victims” and their well being. Got it.
 

If what we’re hearing is true, this was still happening on her watch. For years. I just don’t think it’s possible she had zero clue about any of this. Do you? 

Some people are really good at keeping secrets so who knows

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Just now, Suuus said:

Some people are really good at keeping secrets so who knows

Lol 

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Just now, Suuus said:

Some people are really good at keeping secrets so who knows

Every boss holds some responsibility for a bad work environment. The dancers have gone out of their way to not blame Gaga, which some are conveniently ignoring.

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Just now, lairofhk said:

Lol 

Also gaga has alot of people doing things for her so its inpossible for her to know what everyone is doing

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Just now, StarstruckIllusion said:

Well… this is nice to know. Thanks for clearing up my misunderstanding. I’m glad thats been sorted… but the next issue is: will firing Richy mid-tour cause problems? Who’s gonna replace him of senior talent is out? Is he even needed if all the dance planning is done? 

Not really questions for us to worry about yeah… but nobody wants a messy show, especially if it’s being recorded (god it needs to be) and I hope the Haus finds a good solution fast and keeps Gaga chill

Firing the choreographer/creative director days before opening night of a tour would for sure be an unusual situation, but if it came down to it there would absolutely be ways to make it work.

I think people forget how many people work on these tours to get it ready. While Richy is an important part of creating the show, there are many others who are working alongside him and Gaga. The choreography will be finalised and already learned by the dancers. Richy will have a second-hand working alongside him (in the past that had been Graham but I'm not sure who it is currently), who would replace him if Richy could no longer continue with the tour. I'm not sure if Richy is supposed to actually be on stage during this tour as he wasn't for Joanne or Enigma, but if he was then every tour always has multiple swing performers/understudies who learn the choreography in rehearsals in case they need to take the place of a dancer who is injured or can't perform for any reason.

While it would be quite unprecedented to fire a creative director at this point before a tour, there are always protocols in place to ensure that the show can still go on and that any situation that arises can be resolved. It's important to remember, every single person is replaceable, except Gaga.

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1 minute ago, LilyLark said:

Every boss holds some responsibility for a bad work environment. The dancers have gone out of their way to not blame Gaga, which some are conveniently ignoring.

Exactly this 

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Just now, lairofhk said:

Lol 

Why are you ignoring that the dancers have specifically said they don't blame Gaga or this has nothing to do with Gaga, that it is about Richey? I really do not understand you...why are you trying to turn this into "GAgA covEreD up AbuSe" when the actual people are saying no.

Every boss has some responsibility for a bad work environment. Gaga is definitely responsible for negligence for letting this happen. But there's a leap from that and "she's covering it all up."

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3 minutes ago, LilyLark said:

Every boss holds some responsibility for a bad work environment. The dancers have gone out of their way to not blame Gaga, which some are conveniently ignoring.

Gaga also has alot of people doing things for her so its inpossible for her to know what everyone is doing

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1 minute ago, LilyLark said:

Why are you ignoring that the dancers have specifically said they don't blame Gaga or this has nothing to do with Gaga, that it is about Richey? I really do not understand you...why are you trying to turn this into "GAgA covEreD up AbuSe" when the actual people are saying no.

Every boss has some responsibility for a bad work environment. Gaga is definitely responsible for negligence for letting this happen. But there's a leap from that and "she's covering it all up."

If Gaga didn't know though how can she be responsible for negligence? No one knows what's happened behind the scenes but it is possible that the dancers have kept this quiet out of fear of being fired or not believed. It's not uncommon for victims of abuse to remain quiet for those very reasons.

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1 hour ago, Nathan said:

I don’t remember what we spoke about, sorry. 

In reply to your question, as a company you would seek out evidence during your investigation that includes anything that could have captured evidence, or witnesses who can corroborate a story.

In this case, it has blown up due to multiple people quitting their long-term job because of 1 persons behaviour, they also corroborate the original story.

Im not 100% sure, but I believe 2 people have also stated that the sexual assault is also unfortunately true.

If your asking how do YOU know, that’s up to you. If multiple witnesses aren't enough, than surely nothing anyone says is ever true.

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For those who are really struggling to come to terms with this because you think Gaga would never allow this, if these allegations are correct, it’s been happening for almost 10 years.

We are talking about an environment that promotes and protects someone who would abuse others emotionally and it seem, sexually. There is no way you can employ someone for that long, have so many people leave in succession who are long time staff members under the same ‘manager’ (in this case, dancers under Riche) and not know what’s happening.

I also find it hard to believe she would do this, but from my own experience even the nicest people can change when they are protecting their business or their own personal aspersions.

Again. We don’t know the full story, and people should wait until tomorrow to see if anything changes from Gagas camp.

One thing is certain tho, at this point we know she knows, and if he walks out on that stage in 4 days, we know how Gaga and Bobby respond to this kind of behaviour. 

We had a couple of back-and-forths on a thread that got deleted.

Before I hang the guy, there are a few things I'd like know, such as what specifically is he being accused of ? Are the accusations true ? If true, do they amount to justification for concluding that he is an abuser and that he should be fired, or are they just behaviours that the accusers don't like ?

 

 

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1 minute ago, LilyLark said:

Why are you ignoring that the dancers have specifically said they don't blame Gaga or this has nothing to do with Gaga, that it is about Richey? I really do not understand you...why are you trying to turn this into "GAgA covEreD up AbuSe" when the actual people are saying no.

Every boss has some responsibility for a bad work environment. Gaga is definitely responsible for negligence for letting this happen. But there's a leap from that and "she's covering it all up."

Woah…I didn’t say she’s “covering it up”, don’t put words in my mouth. I’m just saying she bears some responsibility if what we’re hearing is all true. It’s also the fact that she prides herself on creating safe spaces for everybody to be themselves, feel good, loved, respected, etc. Especially given that, she should have been more on top of this.