JK Rowling supports Macy Gray’s transphobic comments: “truth hurts.”

[Pennywise 36,079]

I'd answer all the people who quoted me but I really don't care for an argument where people are victim-blaming but also cry when I call that out. 

 

Trans lives are not an argument, anyway. Most of the LGBTQ+ people owe THEM their rights today. Playing the devil's advocate will never help anyone except the oppressors. 

[Suuus 5,632]

11 hours ago, littlepotter said:

In other words you're saying the reason transphobia is strong today is trans people fiercely defending their right to exist and not be the butt of jokes. That's not it sis

Thats not what this person is saying 

[Suuus 5,632]

40 minutes ago, Pennywise said:

I'd answer all the people who quoted me but I really don't care for an argument where people are victim-blaming but also cry when I call that out. 

 

Trans lives are not an argument, anyway. Most of the LGBTQ+ people owe THEM their rights today. Playing the devil's advocate will never help anyone except the oppressors. 

And you being so abrasive wont help anyone either also the person you quoted literally put a disclaimer berfore their comment saying that they dont agree with behavior described in their comment but i gues you didnt read that

[Debithius 5,863]

10 hours ago, littlepotter said:

I know you're not on her side and I'm not saying otherwise. You're saying this backlash against trans people is because people had a hostile and strong response to those who questioned trans people and that made them more radical. But that is still putting the blame on trans people and allies for "making" people hate them. Transphobes like JKR don't need reasons to hate trans people, nobody provoked her to come out with her statements in the first place. This is called tone policing and it's a fallacy. Do I wish arguments could be solved in peace, with respect, and calmly, yes sure, but that's an imaginary perfect world, in the real world people are gonna have emotional angry responses when their existence is being questioned, and then blaming them for the hate that gets thrown their way doesn't do anything to help. 

I agree with this statement and yes, I am saying that this is the way people like JK and Macy are thinking. People can get angry at me for presenting their POV, even if I myself absolutely do not agree with them or excuse their behaviour. At least people will be better informed on which angles to effectively tackle. What's the saying, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[Debithius 5,863]

6 minutes ago, Suuus said:

And you being so abrasive wont help anyone either

Don't worry about them, they are not capable of analyzing a piece of text thoroughly and only operates on emotions, resulting in attacking their own allies.

[Suuus 5,632]

10 hours ago, littlepotter said:

I know you're not on her side and I'm not saying otherwise. You're saying this backlash against trans people is because people had a hostile and strong response to those who questioned trans people and that made them more radical. But that is still putting the blame on trans people and allies for "making" people hate them. Transphobes like JKR don't need reasons to hate trans people, nobody provoked her to come out with her statements in the first place. This is called tone policing and it's a fallacy. Do I wish arguments could be solved in peace, with respect, and calmly, yes sure, but that's an imaginary perfect world, in the real world people are gonna have emotional angry responses when their existence is being questioned, and then blaming them for the hate that gets thrown their way doesn't do anything to help. 

The user put a disclaimer saying that they dont with set behavior and for the record im 100% against transphopic behavior but what i think what this person is trying to get at is that sometimes when people im talking non transphopic people who have questions about it get a load of hostility wich not exactly helpfull again transphopia 100% wrong  but when someone ask you a question being hostile might mot always be the solution 

[JanStan 574]

The problem isn’t that there is trans anger. It’s that there’s so much anger against people that are actually supportive. Literally grouping allies (somehow that term is now a bad thing) and transphobes together is what it has come to.
 

And then when you say that it’s victim blaming. EVERYTHING gets turned into an attack on trans people even when that is not the intention or the case. You can’t even be supportive without being attacked. It’s strange tbh. 

[KindnessPUNK D 23]

People have to be allowed space for anger, especially when being belittled or disregarded in a public form by a somewhat public figure. However, to engage in meaningful dialogue, that anger cannot be at the forefront of conversation or the results will be fighting seen this thread.
 

Trans rights and existence is a complex emotional topic for a variety of reasons, and people are allowed to express big feelings, particularly trans individuals during these moments. However there has to be a point where we can discuss the complexities and the extremist behaviors of both sides of the topic in order to gain comfort, support and acceptance for trans individuals in the world.
 

As difficult as it may be, we also have a explore the reasonings and ignorance behind transphobic statement as there is nuance in all opinions no matter how ignorant or abrasive that can be used argue for the support of trans  individuals.

 

 

 

[Pennywise 36,079]

Me crying because the "allies" feel bad:

Alexa play Saviour Complex by Phoebe Bridgers because y'all so obviously have it. 

[Fanta 5,019]

41 minutes ago, KindnessPUNK D said:

People have to be allowed space for anger, especially when being belittled or disregarded in a public form by a somewhat public figure. However, to engage in meaningful dialogue, that anger cannot be at the forefront of conversation or the results will be fighting seen this thread.
 

Trans rights and existence is a complex emotional topic for a variety of reasons, and people are allowed to express big feelings, particularly trans individuals during these moments. However there has to be a point where we can discuss the complexities and the extremist behaviors of both sides of the topic in order to gain comfort, support and acceptance for trans individuals in the world.
 

As difficult as it may be, we also have a explore the reasonings and ignorance behind transphobic statement as there is nuance in all opinions no matter how ignorant or abrasive that can be used argue for the support of trans  individuals.

An excellent post. Well done for putting it so respectfully and eloquently!

[Suuus 5,632]

2 hours ago, Pennywise said:

Me crying because the "allies" feel bad:

Alexa play Saviour Complex by Phoebe Bridgers because y'all so obviously have it. 

How about you grow some maturity wich you clearly dont seem to have

[Ladle Ghoulash 25,277]

20 hours ago, NATAH said:

a summer bonfire, me thinks

Good news is: nobody remembers who she is anyway. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 25,277]

2 hours ago, Pennywise said:

Me crying because the "allies" feel bad:

Alexa play Saviour Complex by Phoebe Bridgers because y'all so obviously have it. 

How is wanting trans people to be respected having a "savior complex"? 

[Ladle Ghoulash 25,277]

5 hours ago, Pennywise said:

I'd answer all the people who quoted me but I really don't care for an argument where people are victim-blaming but also cry when I call that out. 

 

Trans lives are not an argument, anyway. Most of the LGBTQ+ people owe THEM their rights today. Playing the devil's advocate will never help anyone except the oppressors. 

Ignore my last quote, completely misread the context of your comment 🤡

[Andrea B 16,753]

3 hours ago, KindnessPUNK D said:

People have to be allowed space for anger, especially when being belittled or disregarded in a public form by a somewhat public figure. However, to engage in meaningful dialogue, that anger cannot be at the forefront of conversation or the results will be fighting seen this thread.
 

Trans rights and existence is a complex emotional topic for a variety of reasons, and people are allowed to express big feelings, particularly trans individuals during these moments. However there has to be a point where we can discuss the complexities and the extremist behaviors of both sides of the topic in order to gain comfort, support and acceptance for trans individuals in the world.
 

As difficult as it may be, we also have a explore the reasonings and ignorance behind transphobic statement as there is nuance in all opinions no matter how ignorant or abrasive that can be used argue for the support of trans  individuals.

 

 

 

My problem was when these allies judge our anger(some did it), thats it.

and trust me this isn't the first allies do that, they think love is love works for trans people. But again the judging and patronizing was my problem. 

I have actually talked to trans people about our anger and how we should use it  (or not use it) but the thing is that most trans people understand the anger so they don’t judge it so easily.

Sorry if I don’t use the right words, english is not my first language.