Fantastic Beasts has worst opening of any HP film

[HorusRa2 5,005]

36 minutes ago, Nathan said:

Just to give some insight into this (if you didn’t know, ignore if you did)

Production is 200 Mil, marketing is usually about the same. So 350/400 Mil. 
 

it has made 200 mil as the box office, but Warner only gets around 50% of that. So as it stands right now, they would need it to take about 500 mil more at the box office for it to turn a profit/break even.

Any box office from China, Warner only gets around 25%. 

if the movie does 600 mil it would be enough for green light a sequel as they also get revenue from HBO Max, Blu-ray, planes/hotels etc.

Not sure how it works with merchandise for Warner (don’t know the deal they have with Rowling Estate), but I don’t see FB merchandise setting the world on fire anyway.

Despite the movies being pretty poor quality, I would image the story will be finished, even if it’s in a straight to streaming movie for HBO Max. So if you do like them, I wouldn’t worry too much. 

All of this. Is why I said the closer they get to 400M domestic, the more the likelihood that they are able to turn a profit. At this point I think 200M is probably about as much as they are going to get domestic. So, it's gonna make it difficult to get to that 600M. 

[Pennywise 36,079]

On 4/19/2022 at 4:15 AM, Suuus said:

You can still love harry potter and not agree with everything jk rowling does i am so sick and tired of people like you seriously get of your high horse 

interesting that you seemed to skip over the "giving money to it" part, sis  

delusion, convince yourself... I guess? 

if you are so sick and tired, there's always the log out button 

[Galvon 1,868]

23 hours ago, Pennywise said:

interesting that you seemed to skip over the "giving money to it" part, sis  

delusion, convince yourself... I guess? 

if you are so sick and tired, there's always the log out button 

I get what you mean, but I think you underestimate how big this franhise/fandom is and the impact it has had on so many. What Lady Gaga means to a lot of us, is very similar to what Harry Potter means to other people I think. As cringe as it sounds, to some people it goes a lot deeper and it's not just some books and movies, at least it wasn't. I mean there are literally themeparks and stores.

So I get what you tried to say, but don't try make people feel guilty for still being a fan. A lot of lgbtqi+ fans feel betrayed by JKR and they all deal with it their own way. I decided not to buy any HP stuff anymore, not that JKR gets a lot of royalties from merch, but it feels wrong and it's just not fun anymore.

[HorusRa2 5,005]

17 minutes ago, Galvon said:

I get what you mean, but I think you underestimate how big this franhise/fandom is and the impact it has had on so many. What Lady Gaga means to a lot of us, is very similar to what Harry Potter means to other people I think. As cringe as it sounds, to some people it goes a lot deeper and it's not just some books and movies, at least it wasn't. I mean there are litteral themeparks and stores.

So I get what you tried to say, but don't try make people feel guilty for still being a fan. A lot of lgbtqi+ fans feel betrayed by JKR and they all deal with it their own way. I decided not to buy any HP stuff anymore, not that JKR gets a lot of royalties from merch, but it feels wrong and it's just not fun anymore.

Literally this. I cannot be a JKR crusader because the books were such a big part of my childhood. It was my escape when everything in my childhood was abysmal. I was horribly made fun of in school and my entire childhood was full of trauma from being raised by 2 drug addicts. People I didn't know randomly coming into my home for hours and hours behind closed doors and spending all of my time alone and knowing the truth of what was going on behind those closed doors. Potter was the only sanctuary I had. So, while I understand the scorn JKR deserves for her comments, I cannot and will not forsake her writing because if it weren't for it, I don't know where I would be and I will not apologize to anybody for my love of it because the author happens to have abysmal views on trans people. 

[Suuus 5,632]

5 hours ago, Pennywise said:

interesting that you seemed to skip over the "giving money to it" part, sis  

delusion, convince yourself... I guess? 

if you are so sick and tired, there's always the log out button 

I didnt skip over anything im just sick and im not delusional either im just tired of people like you shaming people for still liking harry potter 

[Killa 17,491]

The last movie was absolutely dreadful and painful to watch. It’s a very good number

i won’t go to the cinema for that. Not that I can talk, after going to see matrix when I expected trash

[Sneaky Oliver 22,221]

It’s also the worst movie perhaps ever since Order of the Phoenix 

[Galvon 1,868]

15 hours ago, Sneaky Oliver said:

It’s also the worst movie perhaps ever since Order of the Phoenix 

That use to be one of my faves. I agree that it could have been better, but I thought Halfblood Prince was worse. I haven't seen Crimes of Grindelwald or the Secrets of Dumbledore.

[Tinnitus15 51,579]

Saw it yesterday.and for such a long movie I felt like nothing was happening 

[SwissMonster 29,120]

Its still pretty solid. It made almost 200$ worldwide on its opening week. So all costs are already in.

Also among Fans and Critics its the best out of the three movies.

A fourth and probably fifth movie will be greenlit for sure, probably with a smaller budget tho. Now WB discovery has to pull a Lukasfilm and buy the rights from Rowling so her ugly persona isn‘t attached to the franchise anymore.

The Depp and Ezra Miller drama sure didn‘t help but I don‘t think that is the main reason.
 

Also we are still in a pandemic. Yes other movies proved you can do amazing none the less but FB has been a „struggling” franchise since the beginning.

Its far from a flop, as much as I wish it for Rowling.

[Nathan 2,079]

8 minutes ago, SwissMonster said:

Its still pretty solid. It made almost 200$ worldwide on its opening week. So all costs are already in.

 

Just to copy and paste from the last page, as I think it’s important to clear up that it is far from ‘covered costs’

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Production is 200 Mil, marketing is usually about the same. So 350/400 Mil. 
 

it has made 200 mil as the box office, but Warner only gets around 50% of that. So as it stands right now, they would need it to take about 500 mil more at the box office for it to turn a profit/break even.

Any box office from China, Warner only gets around 25%. 

if the movie does 600 mil it would be enough for green light a sequel as they also get revenue from HBO Max, Blu-ray, planes/hotels etc.

Not sure how it works with merchandise for Warner (don’t know the deal they have with Rowling Estate), but I don’t see FB merchandise setting the world on fire anyway.

Despite the movies being pretty poor quality, I would image the story will be finished, even if it’s in a straight to streaming movie for HBO Max. So if you do like them, I wouldn’t worry too much. 

[Cameltoe Chariot 15,230]

1 hour ago, Nathan said:

Just to copy and paste from the last page, as I think it’s important to clear up that it is far from ‘covered costs’

——

Production is 200 Mil, marketing is usually about the same. So 350/400 Mil. 
 

it has made 200 mil as the box office, but Warner only gets around 50% of that. So as it stands right now, they would need it to take about 500 mil more at the box office for it to turn a profit/break even.

Any box office from China, Warner only gets around 25%. 

if the movie does 600 mil it would be enough for green light a sequel as they also get revenue from HBO Max, Blu-ray, planes/hotels etc.

Not sure how it works with merchandise for Warner (don’t know the deal they have with Rowling Estate), but I don’t see FB merchandise setting the world on fire anyway.

Despite the movies being pretty poor quality, I would image the story will be finished, even if it’s in a straight to streaming movie for HBO Max. So if you do like them, I wouldn’t worry too much. 

You copy and pasting this over and over again won’t make it true, just letting you know.

You’re obviously speculating most of what you keep repeating, because if you knew anything about the film industry you’d know that production and marketing budgets are complete separate things and their individual costs are their own responsibilities. The $200 million budget of the film is covered already by what has been made in theatres - now it’s up to marketing to break even on what they spent. If anything gets cut for the next film it’ll be budget for marketing, merch and other stunts.

Just say you hate R*wling and move on, obsessively writing financial fan fiction on a Lady Gaga forum to make things look worse is honestly very concerning.

[Not The Real Gaga 7,545]

16 minutes ago, CameltoeKween said:

You copy and pasting this over and over again won’t make it true, just letting you know.

You’re obviously speculating most of what you keep repeating, because if you knew anything about the film industry you’d know that production and marketing budgets are complete separate things and their individual costs are their own responsibilities. The $200 million budget of the film is covered already by what has been made in theatres - now it’s up to marketing to break even on what they spent. If anything gets cut for the next film it’ll be budget for marketing, merch and other stunts.

Just say you hate R*wling and move on, obsessively writing financial fan fiction on a Lady Gaga forum to make things look worse is honestly very concerning.

 

That's not true.

Both the production and marketing budget are considered in most box office conversations. 

Also, studio's only get 50% (by a rule of thumb) of the box office profits (the other half goes theatres, distributors, et cetera).

This means that - even if you only want to consider the production budget - the movie has not made it's production budget back, given the current numbers.

 

Edit

Also, hopefully you don't think that cutting the marketing budget of a potentional next installment will do the franchise any favor.

 

 

[Cameltoe Chariot 15,230]

6 minutes ago, Not The Real Gaga said:

 

That's not true.

Both the production and marketing budget are considered in most box office conversations. 

Also, studio's only get 50% (by a rule of thumb) of the box office profits (the other half goes theatres, distributors, et cetera).

This means that - even if you only want to consider the production budget - the movie has not made it's production budget back, given the current numbers.

 

 

I was about to reply and give an in-depth explanation of how these financial responsibilities are spread out in the film industry but then I realized I have over a decade of experience working in film marketing and I'm arguing with random people on GGD about their wild speculation and google-curated info. There's literally no point lmao 

Studios don't write off a film if it doesn't hit its production budget within a week. By your measurements, nearly every new film out right now is a complete flop because a 50% profit pull from the US market isn't going to garner much in a single week... especially with a post-covid downswing in sales.

Also that profit percentage you mentioned is actually closer to 60%, and sometimes higher depending on the film and how guaranteed it's success is. Every single film is negotiated.

Fantastic Beasts 3 has not been a massive success. But it hasn't been a massive failure either. It's been a middle of the road "meh" for the studio and theatres. That's all I'm trying to say here. The people trying to paint it as this career ending nightmare for all involved need another hobby and should reevaluate the level of obsession they have towards anything related to the Wizarding World failing.

[Ivannn 1,131]

On 4/20/2022 at 4:56 PM, Pennywise said:

interesting that you seemed to skip over the "giving money to it" part, sis  

delusion, convince yourself... I guess? 

if you are so sick and tired, there's always the log out button 

And what is wrong with her Getting the money? Her books, ideas, etc.

It is not Like you Are funding her activities you disagree with, She does not have an agenda of erasing groups of people, She is  tweeting. And most importantly She has right to her opinion.

I honestly do not understand cancel culture. Everybody Are talking about accepting everyone for who they Are but as soon as someone has slightly different and not liberal and OPEN opinion on something, that person need to be canceled.

Isn’t that just the other End of what you Are advocating for?!?

I have no problem with JK Getting my money. She created books and movies I Enjoy and has all the right to have profit from me. I love that part of her. 
 

Where would this world be if Everybody would think the same ?!?