Nuke 1,691 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Meat said: Why canât yâall find another trans artists to support Support Queen Dana International instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 29,192 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 12 hours ago, nightadieu said: Of all the artists mentioned, Doja is the only other artist that is legally obligated to work with him. All the other moneymakers like Dua Lipa, Katy Perry, Adele, Rihanna, The Weeknd etc. chose to work with him and his label. Theyâre not vocal about working with him but they do support him nonetheless even after the allegations against him surfaced. Okay and if what youâre saying is true (Iâll have to look up the facts) then those artists should be called out as well. I never said that Kim was the ONLY artists that should be called out, but so far sheâs the only one whoâs made excuses for and praised him when asked about the Kesha accusations.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakkusan 767 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I canât believe how tone-deaf this girl is. We donât care about the BTS of this r*pe EP. #FreeKesha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightadieu 4,153 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Jakkusan said: I canât believe how tone-deaf this girl is. We donât care about the BTS of this r*pe EP. #FreeKesha you might not care about it but clearly people do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAMS 1,807 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 This is giving me major Treat Me Like A Slut vibez GAMS, gay popstar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea B 16,370 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 2/20/2022 at 11:23 PM, Meruk Holland said: Nonbinary is trans I get what you mean but some nb people don't identify as trans, they exist. our modern definitions can't apply to everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake 7,385 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, Andrea Nicole said: I get what you mean but some nb people don't identify as trans, they exist. our modern definitions can't apply to everyone. Non-binary, genderfluid etc is all under the trans umbrella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea B 16,370 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Blake said: Non-binary, genderfluid etc is all under the trans umbrella. I know... but nb ppl that don't identify as trans exist and we should respect them.  thats all im saying, I'm just pointing out that they exist and that they're valid u.u Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meruk Holland 2,042 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, Andrea Nicole said: I get what you mean but some nb people don't identify as trans, they exist. our modern definitions can't apply to everyone. Its to my understanding that this happens for a few possible reasons. One is that they feel they do not meet the "requirements" to be trans, such as taking hormones, having affirming surgeries, or altering their social performativity. This mindset is likely caused, at least in part, by the distinctions people try to make between trans and nonbinary - that they are fundamentally different and separate. Another factor is they might not want to claim to an identity that implies they've had certain hardships or conditions like dysphoria, or that such an identity does not accurately represent them; for example, a specific nonbinary person has only had positive experiences with their nonbinary identity, and thus, feels they do not relate with the suffering of other trans people, so they must not really be trans. Another is that their identity as cis is still very important to them, and they want to hold on to it, despite being nonbinary. An example would be someone who feels nonbinary is accurate to their identity, but they still value their pride as a woman, for having to have grown up and be seen as a woman. These are just a couple possible explanations. And I'm not saying the way they identify is invalid. If it causes distress to identify as trans, then it is in their best interest to not do so. However, from a broader standpoint, its more accurate to assume that a nonbinary person is trans as well. Because it doesn't matter what flavor of trans you are, defying your gender expectations, such as changing pronouns or outward performativity, overwhelmingly invites criticism, harassment, and violence. They'll be shown resistance or dismissal: "Its just a phase" "oh, you're just a special snowflake." The semantics of saying nonbinary is a trans identity is important because it lets us include them in conversations that are relevant to them on a grander scale. An individual identifying as nonbinary and cis is valid, but generally functionally identical to being nonbinary and trans. As such, in the case of an individual who has come out as nonbinary and has not voiced if they consider themselves trans or not are best assumed trans, since the harassment and scrutiny they experience is comparable to binary trans people. It'd be like saying bisexual people shouldn't be assumed of being part of the queer community because some bisexuals only act on romantic and sexual urges related to the opposite sex. Sure, their experience is valid if they'd say they were bisexual, but didn't consider themselves part of the LGBT+ community, because that's their lived experience, but that doesn't mean bisexuals shouldn't be semantically part of LGBT+ because their experiences are generally comparable to gay and lesbian experiences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NibbCub 160 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 10:09 PM, GAMS said: This is giving me major Treat Me Like A Slut vibez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buKH4Es4dkI Â Reminds me of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inferno 2,880 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 2:39 PM, nightadieu said: you might not care about it but clearly people do Im sorry but you really need to take your stan goggles off, step back, and look at this situation objectively. From reading the thread its clear how much you deflect and reach for proof to victimize her but the fact of the matter is that of anyone thats worked with him she is literally the only one openly supportive and unapologetic about it. Regardless of whatever backtracking statements shes recently made, she continues to support him and WANTS to be contractually obligated to him. Her situation is not like Doja's who tries as hard as possible not to be associated with him beyond what is contractually obligated. That is a blatant difference you just conveniently gloss over. You have already made up your mind and likely won't change it just because im snarkily responding to everything ive seen you type in this thread especially about her being trans I mean you can be trans and be a sh*tty person....theyre just people with every capability of being nasty as you or I.....but..... I really can't. Its too aggravating. Moving on.. EDIT: NOT TO MENTION LUKE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH DONT START NOW. a simple google search will clarify that misconception like.... again lemme stop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyxGaGa 1,242 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 like this thread is so disappointing, it shows that people still are so quick to victim blame and deflect. like kim is dumb and irrelevant her only reason this thread is going for as long as it is, is cuz she she a rape apologist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightadieu 4,153 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 8 hours ago, Inferno said: Im sorry but you really need to take your stan goggles off, step back, and look at this situation objectively. From reading the thread its clear how much you deflect and reach for proof to victimize her but the fact of the matter is that of anyone thats worked with him she is literally the only one openly supportive and unapologetic about it. Regardless of whatever backtracking statements shes recently made, she continues to support him and WANTS to be contractually obligated to him. Her situation is not like Doja's who tries as hard as possible not to be associated with him beyond what is contractually obligated. That is a blatant difference you just conveniently gloss over. You have already made up your mind and likely won't change it just because im snarkily responding to everything ive seen you type in this thread especially about her being trans I mean you can be trans and be a sh*tty person....theyre just people with every capability of being nasty as you or I.....but..... I really can't. Its too aggravating. Moving on.. EDIT: NOT TO MENTION LUKE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH DONT START NOW. a simple google search will clarify that misconception like.... again lemme stop In a 2019 Interview, Kim stated that she doesnât work with him as much as it seems and that his name is on everything she puts out due to her publishing deal. So in that Case very similar to what Doja has recently said. Yes, Kim has said things about the situation between Kesha and Luke that werenât right. And yes, her recently signing to Amigo Records leaves a bitter taste. I would like to say that my only opinion on her being trans was that sheâs an openly trans Popstar which is incredible for the community and will inspire so many people out there. I havenât said that being trans means you canât be a shitty person. As for Donât Start Now, and itâs hard to word this without sounding passive aggressive because you were so confident that âa simple Google search clarified thereâs no connectionâ, a simple Google search brings up many articles including the one from Variety which Iâll link below. Emily Warren, as with many hits, was heavily included in the songwriting process and is signed to Prescription Songs. ( https://variety.com/2020/music/news/doja-cat-dua-lipa-arizona-zervas-inside-prescription-songs-1234846826/amp/ ) At this point Iâm glad I have learnt different perspectives on the situation. Will I continue listening to her music? Sure. But I will also critically analyze every statement she makes about it in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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