Whoopi Goldberg says the Holocaust had nothing to do with race.

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Jewish (and Arabic) people are Canaanites in their race, then Ashkenazi/Mizrahi etc is their ethnicity.

There are Black and Latino Jewish people, there are even Jewish people from India, from all across the globe.

You can be Jewish without participating in the Jewish religion, I am a Jewish atheist.

The racist system of the US and Canada is the problem and because of that they don't know where to put the Jewish people so they just threw them in the white category without thinking that there are not only white Jewish people in their countries.

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16 minutes ago, rojo said:

Yeah and the comments were not made 100 years ago. She used the modern definition of race and Judaism is not considered a race today

Your original comments still disregard the fact that being Jewish is not just a religious identity. I would honestly love for people that show interest to research and learn about the history of racial and ethnic relations in the 20th century, especially regarding Jews and the Holocaust. It’s an incredibly important topic. 

[Anderson123 38,477]

It must be so hard having to come up with the right words trying to explain yourself only for stuff to be missunderstood sometimes. Especially on live TV and in today's world. This is why I can't talk in public.

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Well she isn’t wrong as of now, but back then it was a race. The whole race/ethnicity thing is still vv cloudy for lots of people but even then it still was a race thing too considering they went after anyone who wasn’t blonde white and blue eyed 

[Elohim 1,740]

Well, someone should send her a copy of "Mein Kampf" by the author Adolf Hitler, she'll change her mind 

[Gabi001 2,416]

Back then Nazis believed, that Jews and Slavs are different races inferior to Germans. So holocaus was all about races, but not in a modern (american) point of view

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She said the same thing about slavery

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Being a jew, muslim or christian is not a race but believe in a certain god!

Jews are ethical group i think, but naci threat them as  they are diffrent race.

[Miky 9,491]

"had nothing to do with race" - past tense, so she IS applying the logic of those times when Nazis decided Jews were an inferior race, stop trying to excuse her for being stupid and uneducated lol. Just another celebrity trying to sound important while knowing absolutely nothing.

They believed the same about Slavs so... just shut up Whupy.

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11 minutes ago, Miky said:

"had nothing to do with race" - past tense, so she IS applying the logic of those times when Nazis decided Jews were an inferior race, stop trying to excuse her for being stupid and uneducated lol. Just another celebrity trying to sound important while knowing absolutely nothing.

They believed the same about Slavs so... just shut up Whupy.

And not only that, she doubled down trying to shut down the other ladies at the table when they were trying to correct her  

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If Whoopi can get cancelled nobody is safe 

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8 hours ago, gumzy3000 said:

Whoppi

3 hours ago, Miky said:

Whupy.

Why did this made me laugh  Ugh im a simpleton

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4 hours ago, Gabi001 said:

Back then Nazis believed, that Jews and Slavs are different races inferior to Germans. So holocaus was all about races, but not in a modern (american) point of view

I just wanna add on to what you're saying:

It's not that different from how Americans view race, matter of fact it operates on the same systems. "Whiteness" isn't a definite category, it's exclusionary and expands at the same time. The concept of "Race" has always been the same throughout history, it's just that who exactly falls under the "white" category has shifted over time and now we are able to critically dissect white supremacy without fearing death. The expansion of who is considered "white" doesn't just happen by chance, it's a calculation by white supremacist activists and right-wing figure heads so that they can coin media narratives that adapt to current leftist and liberal discourse.

It's about a dominant in-group trying to define harsh lines of who is in the group and who is not. In the example of the Holocaust, it's obvious that in Nazi Germany Jewish & Slavic people were not considered "white" and part of the in-group. In the USA of the 1800's only Anglo-Saxons hailing from Britain originally were considered white. As time progressed more ethnic groups were allowed into the in-group such as the Germans, the Irish, the Italian, the Spanish, the Scandinavian, the Slavs etc. and most recently Jewish people. In modern day USA, white people from Latin America don't belong to the dominant in-group because of the media narratives the political right has spun about "Mexicans stealing our jobs", despite them on average probably having the very same genetic pool any regular "white" USA citizen would have. 

So yes, the Holocaust ABSOLUTELY was about race AND the current (conservative) understanding of race is still the same the understanding of Nazi era Germany  

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9 hours ago, gumzy3000 said:

I get the Nazis put them at the bottom of a racial hierarchy but that was 70 years ago. Can't we say, in 2022 that they are not a race but an ethnicity based on our 21st century definition? 

My understanding is that its a religion AND ethnicity - hence the term "ethnic cleansing" to describe the holocaust. I mean, Jews are primarily white, at least in Canada. Claiming that we are being racist to Jews is like white people saying the same thing and it comes off weird.

I did some research and found the image below. Other than the stereotype of big noses, and maybe some tanned skin if thier middle eastern / Sephardic Jews, the lack of physical traits that differentiate Jews is unsubstantial. I have met many Jews and they all looked WHITE. Other than the Orthodox ones, they dress pretty much like the average person, but I have also been to bar mitzvahs and saw no one dressed like a "Jew" honestly. 

Based on all of this, we can conclude Jews are not a race but an ethnicity, at least in todays definition. I fee bad for Whoppi - she did mess up in saying it wasn't a race issue (based on todays definitions - she is correct) but the Naz*s definitely racialized the Jews in those times. 

To today's standards and definitions of race, no, jews are not a race and not even an ethnicity since basically anybody from any background can be converted to judaism in this day and age.

It has to be stressed, however, that this was completely different in the last century. Among many other terrible things, what the nazis did against jews was systematic racism, point blank period.

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That  being religion or ethnicity is irrelevant in this case, as the actions of Holocaust were motivated by and acted upon on the sick idea of them being racially inferior, hence making it a racial issue by nature, regardless if they are a different race or not.