salty like sodium 1,915 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 8 hours ago, WheresMy911Alice said: See that's the thing. "my body my choice" is literally between you and your prospective child. When people use it in terms of the vaccine, it makes no sense because it doesn't just affect you. If you choose to not get the vaccine, you could potentially spread the virus to tons of people. So shortsighted I know this has been said but I felt I needed to show support due to the utter DELUSION in this thread Also everyone is literally going all "my body my choice" = "anti-vaxxing" but do these people need a reminder that it's literally ILLEGAL to have an abortion in Texas now? And yet being allowed to spread a potentially deadly disease by being unvaccinated, on the other hand, is a right people campaign for ... The hypocrisy is mindblowing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling 31,440 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, salty like sodium said: Tbh a lot of people commenting in this thread/forum are borderline sexist (and tbh racist) white gay men (who are therefore not women) so ... Not surprised they don't understand the difference between "my body my choice" and anti-vaxxing ... Thanks for supporting the side of logic and reason ! I'm a non-problematic white ghey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty like sodium 1,915 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 31 minutes ago, WheresMy911Alice said: I'm a non-problematic white ghey let's get married then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbHawker 6,583 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 13 hours ago, FentyGa said: lemme be specific and say ‘pro choice’ is gros when it comes to vaccines specifically i believe in vaccine mandates. you are a danger to society if you’re unvaccinated, and you dont deserve to be in public. you’re putting everyone around you at risk, all because you read some bullshit on twitter. Agree to disagree. Mandating a drug in this context is wrong in my opinion. Your medical history shouldn’t ever determine whether you should be allowed in public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty like sodium 1,915 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, MelbHawker said: Agree to disagree. Mandating a drug in this context is wrong in my opinion. Your medical history shouldn’t ever determine whether you should be allowed in public. vaccines are literally how they got rid of polio, tetanus, hepatitis and more ... would you really prefer a world where those horrible diseases were still rampant because no one got vaccinated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaxboy 5,596 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I’m on the fence about mandates in general but I don’t see the major harm in this Covid vaccine. The narrative that it’s for controlling you is completely ridiculous and it’s sad that there are people who actually believe this nonsense, plenty in who attended this rally. The same folks who claim “we don’t know what’s in it” will eat a 10 piece chicken McNuggets meal or a mystery meat hot dog without batting an eye. I’m sure there is more harm in smoking a pack of cigarettes. Those saying “My Body, My Choice” in regards to the vaccine are making a complete mockery of the pro-choice crowd and they are the same ones who compare masks to the Holocaust. Pretty gross and embarrassing comparisons. I hope these “My Body, My Choice” will bring that same energy to their stance on abortion or for sex reassignment surgery. Most who are “antivax” or “anti mandate” are just selfish and stubborn. I think if an individual who refused to get vaccinated were to double mask, test regularly, and take other precautions then I wouldn’t think of them as being selfish. In my personal encounters that’s not the case. To me, most who oppose everything just wanna go out and act as if there is no Covid. They will lie about some ridiculous “HIPPA” violation which they do not understand. They’ll say it’s their freedom to freely go into a bar or an Applebees or whatever other crappy place they go to. At the end of the day, this whole situation has dragged on for way to long and a certain narrative is just going to prolong this even further. Also, a major bag of 💩 to Evangeline Lilly for attending the same event Proud Boys would attend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbHawker 6,583 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 hours ago, salty like sodium said: vaccines are literally how they got rid of polio, tetanus, hepatitis and more ... would you really prefer a world where those horrible diseases were still rampant because no one got vaccinated? Just reinforcing that I am not against vaccines - only the mandates. Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitis vaccines differ from the current Covid vaccines in use because they are preventative of infection - the current Covid vaccines do virtually nothing to prevent infection & further spread of the virus. I don’t want any diseases running rampant (who would?), but even if we vaccinated every single person on earth with these Covid vaccines, Covid would unfortunately still spread like wildfire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starmie25 18,862 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 WE HAVE TO GET VAXXED KATE!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOP 3,096 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 36 minutes ago, MelbHawker said: Covid vaccines do virtually nothing to prevent infection & further spread of the virus. 36 minutes ago, MelbHawker said: even if we vaccinated every single person on earth with these Covid vaccines, Covid would unfortunately still spread like wildfire. Covid vaccines proven to reduce symptoms significantly and lower how infectious individuals are to others. Covid is RNA based, it only survives through living cells. If we lower the infection rate in communities it would die out or become very weak. Either get facts from a proper source, or stop saying bs from twitter COME ON GAYS!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 160,598 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 6:45 AM, jobot said: Just like how people’s choices regarding vaccines isn’t your issue. It is though 'cause unvaccinated people are more likely to - Become infected in the first place (yes, vaccines DO offer a level of defense against initial infection) - Develop symptoms that make it easier to spread the virus (coughing, sneezing) - Have a higher viral load which means they're shedding more of the virus. In other words, they're more contagious - And since they have no immune response ready to combat the virus, they're more likely to be the host to a mutated variant. One that potentially subverts vaccines even more than delta and omicron have Your choice to not get vaccinated actively hurts the people around you and that is a fact A woman's choice to get an abortion impacts nobody but herself so equating anti-vax sentiments to pro-choice ones is actually ridiculously wrong both in a factual sense and in a moral one. You're stinky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOP 3,096 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, PartySick said: It is though 'cause unvaccinated people are more likely to - Become infected in the first place (yes, vaccines DO offer a level of defense against initial infection) - Develop symptoms that make it easier to spread the virus (coughing, sneezing) - Have a higher viral load which means they're shedding more of the virus. In other words, they're more contagious - And since they have no immune response ready to combat the virus, they're more likely to be the host to a mutated variant. One that potentially subverts vaccines even more than delta and omicron have Your choice to not get vaccinated actively hurts the people around you and that is a fact A woman's choice to get an abortion impacts nobody but herself so equating anti-vax sentiments to pro-choice ones is actually ridiculously wrong both in a factual sense and in a moral one. My favourite, factual, science believer Mod for a reason COME ON GAYS!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobot 136 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 41 minutes ago, PartySick said: It is though 'cause unvaccinated people are more likely to - Become infected in the first place (yes, vaccines DO offer a level of defense against initial infection) - Develop symptoms that make it easier to spread the virus (coughing, sneezing) - Have a higher viral load which means they're shedding more of the virus. In other words, they're more contagious - And since they have no immune response ready to combat the virus, they're more likely to be the host to a mutated variant. One that potentially subverts vaccines even more than delta and omicron have Your choice to not get vaccinated actively hurts the people around you and that is a fact A woman's choice to get an abortion impacts nobody but herself so equating anti-vax sentiments to pro-choice ones is actually ridiculously wrong both in a factual sense and in a moral one. Just to be clear, I wasn't talking about/comparing anything to abortions Those are all great points! You said "likely" and that's true, it's not guaranteed that all hell will break loose if you don't have the V. It's still a risk though, like much of life. I still think it's not really anyone's issue about other people being vaccinated or not. Of course, you are free to make it your issue. I was being a little cheeky and replying to someone saying "people's habits aren't my issue" - so I thought, hmm... vaccines are though, yeah? I am vaxxxed. I still take precautions. I am around people who aren't vaccinated - so far I've been fine and they have been too. Ironically, over Christmas when family was around, we all ended up catching Omicon (all vaxxxed). The oldest person (with x3 doses) got the most sick. Two people had natural immunity and they didn't get sick. In my *personal* experience, my friend's choice to not get vaccinated hasn't hurt me. I'm all for vaccines that are super effective...! It's ironic that a lot of the spread happens from people who have had the V. Hopefully the Covid vaccines get a makeover so they work better and we don't need to have multiple every year. 🤞 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOP 3,096 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, jobot said: I'm all for vaccines that are super effective...! It's ironic that a lot of the spread happens from people who have had the V. Hopefully the Covid vaccines get a makeover so they work better and we don't need to have multiple every year. 🤞 Personal experience is not statistics or representative of the overall situation. Data says otherwise. COME ON GAYS!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobot 136 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, ARTPOP said: Personal experience is not statistics or representative of the overall situation. Data says otherwise. OK. What does the data say? That the vaccines stop the spread completely? I could understand a vaccine mandate for a vaccine that is truly effective (at stopping the spread). It's not yet the case for the Covid vaccines. My personal experience has informed... my life, yes. I wonder if I were to fill in a survey (to get statistics) - would I use my personal experience to answer the questions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOP 3,096 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 45 minutes ago, jobot said: OK. What does the data say? That the vaccines stop the spread completely? I could understand a vaccine mandate for a vaccine that is truly effective (at stopping the spread). It's not yet the case for the Covid vaccines. My personal experience has informed... my life, yes. I wonder if I were to fill in a survey (to get statistics) - would I use my personal experience to answer the questions? By statistics, I mean scientific research based on national care systems. Once you get Covid and they trace your contacts (as long as you are honest decent human), then you can make objective scientific statistics. Yes your personal experience adds but there are outliers, specially in a huge sample size (milions) like Covid . Personally, I experienced the opposite. When I was infected(vaxxed) I did not infect anyone around me. COME ON GAYS!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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