Dynamic Adele Ticket Prices Sting Verified Fans

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5 hours ago, LateToCult said:

They were that price for like the first 5 minutes then they started surging like crazy. By the time I got in (I was only 190th in line) there were already 100 level seats going for over $1k. Saw people on Twitter complaining that they selected $85 tickets but by the time they got to the checkout they had surged to over $300 each. It was wild.

wtf, even after they had selected them? That is so wrong.

59 minutes ago, salty like sodium said:

 

Because it's extortion  At the retail price they're already making a huge profit and we all know it.

Exactly.


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Nobody is pretending concerts should be a charity, but just fix prices that are affordable and stick with them.
It shouldn't be an almost unattainable luxury to just see your favorite artist in concert, even less when these artists and mostly Ticketmaster and LiveNation have MILLIONS.

[Ronk 14,762]

3 hours ago, salty like sodium said:

 Just because Gaga said that doesn't mean it's true. "I'm not happy I get paid more money to meet strangers I don't even know". Who would actually believe that? It sounds more like a PR statement imo. Even Taylor Swift doing free M&Gs isn't because she wants to actually meet fans, it's all about building a brand and generating more fans/revenue.

We may have to agree to disagree.  Gaga has a big heart and cares about her fans.  To her they're not strangers.  I believe Gaga would be uncomfortable with fans needing to go into debt for months to pay $1000 for a m&g.

I agree that dynamic prices are bad.  I can imagine if Gaga knew the severity of the consequences this has on fans she could be uncomfortable with that.

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9 hours ago, Ronk said:

We may have to agree to disagree.  Gaga has a big heart and cares about her fans.  To her they're not strangers.  I believe Gaga would be uncomfortable with fans needing to go into debt for months to pay $1000 for a m&g.

I agree that dynamic prices are bad.  I can imagine if Gaga knew the severity of the consequences this has on fans she could be uncomfortable with that.

Define "cares about her fans". At the end of the day, celebrities are just human beings. We don't exist to them, just like people you have never met who live in the same town as you don't exist. We're literally just customers to them. It's like expecting a waiter in a coffee shop to care about every customer he ever serves. They're grateful for our money, of course, but ultimately they don't want us coming up to them every time they're in a restaurant, or out in town – they just want to live their lives. If Gaga cared about her fans, she'd be thinking about more inclusive ways to tour and sell merchandise, rather than always doing it about $$$. I'm sorry to break it to you but the entertainment business isn't called a business for fun. The clue is in the name. Follow the money. Gaga 100% knows what dynamic prices entails: she receives the paycheck that shows her just how much extra money she gets. The fact that her meets and greets are priced at $1000 is proof of this. Taylor Swift doesn't do paid meet and greets, she chooses fans from the pit. But even that is a calculated business decision, and doesn't have anything to do with artists actually wanting to meet fans. If they really wanted to meet fans, there are hundreds of ways of meeting more fans and doing it more affordably that they don't even care to do because ultimately it is about the money. And that's ok.

These celebrities are perfectly fine letting fans wait in the sun in the summer for 12 hours, without even having the idea of providing water for free to avoid them from fainting, outside a concert venue stadium just to be close to their stage for 2 hours. Anyone who's able to inflict that on others without even considering reinvesting some of the money they earned from "dynamic pricing" into free water for the people who are standing in the sun to see them, those fans they allegedly "care about", absolutely does not care about their fans. And again, why should they? We're literally the same to them as a customer is to a Starbucks employee. Why should we be anything more than that? Just ask Gaga to name her fans by name. She'd have a hard time naming that many, for a good reason: we're just strangers to them. And that's perfectly fine. Their job isn't to be our best friends: it's to make music. But let's please not claim that they care about us when the reality is that they're just individuals trying to make a living in a capitalist world.

However, this doesn't change the fact that Gaga has a big heart. Between her reaction to COVID and BLM, it's clear she cares about things (part of the reason why I stan her). But I think it's kind of weird to expect people to care about strangers to them when that's literally what we are: strangers, without names and in most cases without faces even. If they do meet us, it's for 5 minutes. Expecting them to care for us is just weird. Why would anyone care about someone they only ever saw for 5 minutes in their life? It's completely unrealistic, celebrity or not (with a few exceptions like instant crush etc.)

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11 hours ago, NewUsername said:

wtf, even after they had selected them? That is so wrong.

Exactly.


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Nobody is pretending concerts should be a charity, but just fix prices that are affordable and stick with them.
It shouldn't be an almost unattainable luxury to just see your favorite artist in concert, even less when these artists and mostly Ticketmaster and LiveNation have MILLIONS.

Exactly. Also if artists want more money, it's simple. Take some of the seats, label them as "VIP", print an ugly tee-shirt you give "for free" for an extra 600$ to the ticket, and call it a day. Or give them a meet and greet. Or in the case of Madonna, a tour of the theatre without the artist even being present.  Artist's have been doing this for decades to make extra money off rich fans without actually extorting the poor ones. It's just disgraceful when they do dynamic pricing imo.

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A tangent, but Gaga's Meet & Greets in Vegas at least are priced at 1000, not 2000. 

Ticketmaster's "Platinum tickets," i.e. "dynamic pricing," really is a ripoff, but Ticketmaster gets away with it most of the time because people buy those tickets, and alas, that's how capitalism works. (Though it seems to be backfiring with that upcoming Drake & Kanye concert.) Not every artist employs this practice, however. What irks me even more, as I've posted above, is how Ticketmaster enables ticket resellers to buy the best tickets in bulk and then resell them at 5 times the price, and Ticketmaster gets a cut of the resell tickets as well. 

I respect Billy Joel for his decision to reserve the first couple of rows at his concerts for fans who originally are seated in the back. His team scouts the back of the venue and selects excited fans to move to the front, thus ensuring real fans who appreciate the concert will be in front instead of rich people who may not care all that much. 

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22 hours ago, Gagaplayer315 said:

Are her concerts worth all of that tho? 

yes, why wouldn’t they be?

[Ronk 14,762]

4 hours ago, salty like sodium said:

Define "cares about her fans". At the end of the day, celebrities are just human beings. We don't exist to them, just like people you have never met who live in the same town as you don't exist. We're literally just customers to them. It's like expecting a waiter in a coffee shop to care about every customer he ever serves. They're grateful for our money, of course, but ultimately they don't want us coming up to them every time they're in a restaurant, or out in town – they just want to live their lives. If Gaga cared about her fans, she'd be thinking about more inclusive ways to tour and sell merchandise, rather than always doing it about $$$. I'm sorry to break it to you but the entertainment business isn't called a business for fun. The clue is in the name. Follow the money. Gaga 100% knows what dynamic prices entails: she receives the paycheck that shows her just how much extra money she gets. The fact that her meets and greets are priced at $1000 is proof of this. Taylor Swift doesn't do paid meet and greets, she chooses fans from the pit. But even that is a calculated business decision, and doesn't have anything to do with artists actually wanting to meet fans. If they really wanted to meet fans, there are hundreds of ways of meeting more fans and doing it more affordably that they don't even care to do because ultimately it is about the money. And that's ok.

These celebrities are perfectly fine letting fans wait in the sun in the summer for 12 hours, without even having the idea of providing water for free to avoid them from fainting, outside a concert venue stadium just to be close to their stage for 2 hours. Anyone who's able to inflict that on others without even considering reinvesting some of the money they earned from "dynamic pricing" into free water for the people who are standing in the sun to see them, those fans they allegedly "care about", absolutely does not care about their fans. And again, why should they? We're literally the same to them as a customer is to a Starbucks employee. Why should we be anything more than that? Just ask Gaga to name her fans by name. She'd have a hard time naming that many, for a good reason: we're just strangers to them. And that's perfectly fine. Their job isn't to be our best friends: it's to make music. But let's please not claim that they care about us when the reality is that they're just individuals trying to make a living in a capitalist world.

However, this doesn't change the fact that Gaga has a big heart. Between her reaction to COVID and BLM, it's clear she cares about things (part of the reason why I stan her). But I think it's kind of weird to expect people to care about strangers to them when that's literally what we are: strangers, without names and in most cases without faces even. If they do meet us, it's for 5 minutes. Expecting them to care for us is just weird. Why would anyone care about someone they only ever saw for 5 minutes in their life? It's completely unrealistic, celebrity or not (with a few exceptions like instant crush etc.)

Of course Gaga doesn't know her fans individually.  She cares about them collectively.  Maybe my words fail to explain it properly, but it might be better explained by this video I made years ago for a cinema course I was taking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwHs_DZIeyQ

 

 

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On 12/8/2021 at 5:05 PM, salty like sodium said:

Did a bit of research and artists actually have a choice to opt-out of dynamic pricing. So when they don't, it's very clear it's because it's all about the $$$$$. 

ew adele is disgusting for that. only garbage would try to gouge their fans for a ticket for thousands of dollars 

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On 12/8/2021 at 11:58 PM, elijahfan said:

That's why I absolutely hate getting tickets to shows in the USA... What's even the concept of "dynamic pricing"? It's literally half-disguised theft, I don't even understand how this can be legal. This would never fly here in France.

Same, all the arena shows I have been to have had stable prices and none of them has been above 50/70 euros then you see people from the us who spends hundreds to see the same show... But I guess when a show absolutely tanks then its cheaper for them than for us (I remember the witness tour, which I paid full price to see) but of course that is the exception. 

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5 hours ago, Ronk said:

Of course Gaga doesn't know her fans individually.  She cares about them collectively.  Maybe my words fail to explain it properly, but it might be better explained by this video I made years ago for a cinema course I was taking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwHs_DZIeyQ

 

 

Literally nothing I have said in my post has been contradicted by your video (great job btw). just because she doesn't want other humans to suffer through the same kind of bullying she has gone through (which is great but also fairly standard imo, like you'd have to be pretty shitty to not want that) doesn't mean she cares about us more than she does about her business. And I'm not blaming her for it, all celebrities do the same, it's a dog eat dog world, it just makes sense. But claiming she isn't aware of how much her M&G costs or how much it actually costs her fans in terms of sacrifices they have to make is really naive imo.

[MOT 3,032]

I don't blame artists for trying to maximize profit from concerts, especially as they make zilch by all accounts from record sales these days. It's for that reason that I hold out hope for TCB.

As for Gaga having a big heart, yes, I think she does, I think she's a good person, and my evidence would be all those positive reports of her interactions with waitresses etc. But she wouldn't be where she is today if she was made of candy floss. Music, and now movies too, is her job. She'll be looking to get paid for it.

 

[Ronk 14,762]

5 hours ago, salty like sodium said:

Literally nothing I have said in my post has been contradicted by your video (great job btw). just because she doesn't want other humans to suffer through the same kind of bullying she has gone through (which is great but also fairly standard imo, like you'd have to be pretty shitty to not want that) doesn't mean she cares about us more than she does about her business. And I'm not blaming her for it, all celebrities do the same, it's a dog eat dog world, it just makes sense. But claiming she isn't aware of how much her M&G costs or how much it actually costs her fans in terms of sacrifices they have to make is really naive imo.

This is where our opinions differ.  I believe Gaga's primary goal in life is helping others, spreading kindness, and changing the world.  It's just who she is as a person.  It's not just her fans she cares about, it's the world.  While most follow her for her music and entertainment I follow her because of all the good she does for people in large ways and in small ways.

Yes, she definitely has business considerations that can be quite demanding, but I think they are secondary to helping others.

I think we can agree to disagree, and each be happy with our own view of Gaga.

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5 hours ago, Ronk said:

This is where our opinions differ.  I believe Gaga's primary goal in life is helping others, spreading kindness, and changing the world.  It's just who she is as a person.  It's not just her fans she cares about, it's the world.  While most follow her for her music and entertainment I follow her because of all the good she does for people in large ways and in small ways.

Yes, she definitely has business considerations that can be quite demanding, but I think they are secondary to helping others.

I think we can agree to disagree, and each be happy with our own view of Gaga.

Do you sincerely believe it's possible to have "spreading kindness" as your primary goal while also keeping millions of dollars you will never spend in the bank?  If her business considerations were secondary, she'd just keep 3000$ a month of her revenue and donate the rest to charity (not that she should, but your argument doesn't stand up to that logic imo). And she definitely wouldn't charge 1000$ for a Meet and Greet. Agree to disagree all you want, facts are facts.  

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3 hours ago, salty like sodium said:

Do you sincerely believe it's possible to have "spreading kindness" as your primary goal while also keeping millions of dollars you will never spend in the bank?  If her business considerations were secondary, she'd just keep 3000$ a month of her revenue and donate the rest to charity (not that she should, but your argument doesn't stand up to that logic imo). And she definitely wouldn't charge 1000$ for a Meet and Greet. Agree to disagree all you want, facts are facts.  

Yes, I do.  And how she spends her money for the rest of her life is her business.   She has spent much money helping others, but there are so many other ways she has helped people and even saved lives.  So many lives have been changed for the better because of her words and her actions.  Her impact on people's lives is real, and she feels if she could help even one person, that would mean everything.  Well, she has helped thousands of people in meaningful ways.   It is meaningless to try to put a price on the change she has made in people's lives.  Kindness defines her.  She leads by example just by living a life of kindness. 

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this is kinda funny 😭