Billy Porter hits out at Vogue

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1 minute ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Like why are people upset at Billie's comment? It's like weird. There is no ah-ha moment. 

 

“I. Personally. Changed. The. Whole. Game. And that is not ego, that is just fact. I was the first one doing it & now everybody is doing it. I created the conversation & yet Vogue still put Harry Styles, a straight white man, in a dress on their cover for the first time.”

His comment is ignorant, driven by his ego, and undermines the legacy of the people who came before him.

He did not create this conversation.

Before Billy was a public figure, Andre J. covered Vogue magazine in a dress, and Dennis Rodman wore dresses on red carpets. Quinton Crisp and André Leon Talley were pioneering non-binary fashion when Billy was in his crib. Marlene Dietrich before them. There have always been public figures who disrupted gender norms through their fashion, like Josephine Baker, Grace Jones, k.d. lang, Eddie Izzard, Tilda Swinton, Greyson Perry, and Lady "does she have a ****" Gaga.

Like Harry Styles, Brad Pitt and Kurt Cobain both wore dresses on the cover of magazines in the 90's.

And of course, designers were pushing boundaries by putting men in dresses on the catwalk before Billy wore a dress on the red carpet.

I like Billy, I think what he is doing is awesome, but his comments on this subject reek of jealously and ego. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Vico said:

Well. To you a white gay it has no meaning. Proving my point exactly... 

 

1 minute ago, Vico said:

This thread has indeed exposed the ignorance and dare i say it, racism, in this forum. Yall aren't even ashamed any more. Nor tryna hid it. Relentlessly defending Vogue. As much as I understand the point of popularity and sales, BILLY HAS A POINT HERE... Some of yall playing dumb as asking dumb nonsense like "I don't understand what privelege yall talking about".... Don't be smart asses u knw EXACTLY what privelege. Niyacika kabi nina kule forum. Sies. 

You want to do away with privilege. 

You want equality. 

Yet advocate for some to be given special treatment and privelege because of race and upbringing.

You also judge things only based on your perception of race and upbringing.

Make that make sense.

 

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6 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

“I. Personally. Changed. The. Whole. Game. And that is not ego, that is just fact. I was the first one doing it & now everybody is doing it. I created the conversation & yet Vogue still put Harry Styles, a straight white man, in a dress on their cover for the first time.”

His comment is ignorant, driven by his ego, and undermines the legacy of the people who came before him.

He did not create this conversation.

Before Billy was a public figure, Andre J. covered Vogue magazine in a dress, and Dennis Rodman wore dresses on red carpets. Quinton Crisp and André Leon Talley were pioneering non-binary fashion when Billy was in his crib. Marlene Dietrich before them. There have always been public figures who disrupted gender norms through their fashion, like Josephine Baker, Grace Jones, k.d. lang, Eddie Izzard, Tilda Swinton, Greyson Perry, and Lady "does she have a ****" Gaga.

Like Harry Styles, Brad Pitt and Kurt Cobain both wore dresses on the cover of magazines in the 90's.

And of course, designers were pushing boundaries by putting men in dresses on the catwalk before Billy wore a dress on the red carpet.

I like Billy, I think what he is doing is awesome, but his comments on this subject reek of jealously and ego. 

 

That's not the comment I was referring to. 

Please don't quote me unless you have read every comment I've written on the subject. Otherwise it gets repetitive. 

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12 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

That's not the comment I was referring to. 

 

That is the comment in the OP, and in the multiple sources linked in the OP, and in multiple posts in this thread, but maybe you missed it.

You asked why people were "upset." That's why.

Edit: I did read your posts. You seemed to be confused why people would be upset by his comments. I trust now, you understand.

 

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7 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

“I. Personally. Changed. The. Whole. Game. And that is not ego, that is just fact. I was the first one doing it & now everybody is doing it. I created the conversation & yet Vogue still put Harry Styles, a straight white man, in a dress on their cover for the first time.”

His comment is ignorant, driven by his ego, and undermines the legacy of the people who came before him.

He did not create this conversation.

Before Billy was a public figure, Andre J. covered Vogue magazine in a dress, and Dennis Rodman wore dresses on red carpets. Quinton Crisp and André Leon Talley were pioneering non-binary fashion when Billy was in his crib. Marlene Dietrich before them. There have always been public figures who disrupted gender norms through their fashion, like Josephine Baker, Grace Jones, k.d. lang, Eddie Izzard, Tilda Swinton, Greyson Perry, and Lady "does she have a ****" Gaga.

Like Harry Styles, Brad Pitt and Kurt Cobain both wore dresses on the cover of magazines in the 90's.

And of course, designers were pushing boundaries by putting men in dresses on the catwalk before Billy wore a dress on the red carpet.

I like Billy, I think what he is doing is awesome, but his comments on this subject reek of jealously and ego. 

 

But as long as we are taking about this. He is talking about reopening the conversation not opening the conversation. He did change the conversation because his fashion is non-binary not androgynous which is the majority of people you mentioned. The reason white straight men in dresses is ridiculous is because the majority of people you mentioned. This isn't a life style for Brad Pitt. It was just what was in at the moment. It's like that line in Pose. White people just like to visit the out of the ordinary. They don't like to live there. I'm paraphrasing I don't remember the entire quote by memory. 

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3 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

That is the comment in the OP, and in the multiple sources linked in the OP, and in multiple posts in this thread, but maybe you missed it.

You asked why people were "upset." That's why.

 

Yeah I know I'm sorry but I was referring in that particular comment you quoted to his Emmy's comment. Either way I just sent a reply to your comment. I'm not trying to be rude or anything. I'm sorry if it came off that way. 

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Nobody cares about Billy Porter lets be real. After Pose ended and he undeservingly won awards compared to his trans costars. He's just greedy at this point and wants all the fame and attention to him. People before him have done what he claims is being stolen from him by Harry Styles. He should be thankful to the people who PAVED the path for him. 

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2 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

But as long as we are taking about this. He is talking about reopening the conversation not opening the conversation. He did change the conversation because his fashion is non-binary not androgynous which is the majority of people you mentioned. The reason white straight men in dresses is ridiculous is because the majority of people you mentioned. This isn't a life style for Brad Pitt. It was just what was in at the moment. It's like that line in Pose. White people just like to visit the out of the ordinary. They don't like to live there. I'm paraphrasing I don't remember the entire quote by memory. 

 

1 minute ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Yeah I know I'm sorry but I was referring in that particular comment you quoted to his Emmy's comment. Either way I just sent a reply to your comment. I'm not trying to be rude or anything. I'm sorry if it came off that way. 

 

It's all good.

I like Billy and appreciate what he is doing for our culture, but there is no way you or anyone else can read his comments and not see how they betray his ego.

He didn't say he "re-opened the conversation." He said he "started the conversation," and that he was the "first one doing it." That isn't true.

Billy is the latest in a long line of people who disrupt gender norms through fashion. The term "non-binary fashion" may be new, but the idea isn't.

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5 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

 

It's all good.

I like Billy and appreciate what he is doing for our culture, but there is no way you or anyone else can read his comments and not see how they betray his ego.

He didn't say he "re-opened the conversation." He said he "started the conversation," and that he was the "first one doing it." That isn't true.

Billy is the latest in a long line of people who disrupt gender norms through fashion. The term "non-binary fashion" may be new, but the idea isn't.

I agree his response was out of frustration, so it was delivered clumsily. I don't remember if I did but I do think I pointed out that he wasn't the first. So I don't agree with that part of his sentence. I do think that having people wear dresses that don't normally do creates a moment instead of an ongoing conversation. I'm pretty sure Brad hasn't worn a dress since. So he didn't normalize it. It was just a shocking way to sell magazines. IMO.  

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Billy Porter is an overrated hack riding on the current cultural wave of queer identity 

The fact that he took home the only acting Emmy for Pose over MJ Rodriguez is... disgusting 

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5 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

I agree his response was out of frustration, so it was delivered clumsily. I don't remember if I did but I do think I pointed out that he wasn't the first. So I don't agree with that part of his sentence. I do think that having people wear dresses that don't normally do creates a moment instead of an ongoing conversation. I'm pretty sure Brad hasn't worn a dress since. So he didn't normalize it. It was just a shocking way to sell magazines. IMO.  

 

Harry Styles does wear non-binary fashion outside of the dress he wore for Vogue. So I hope you are right, and that his appearance in Vogue will create an ongoing conversation rather then a a momentary talking point. That seems to be what is happening.

 

Spoiler

Dresses, pearls, boas, *** bows, tutus, and flouncy blouses.

 

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3 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Harry Styles does wear non-binary fashion outside of the dress he wore for Vogue. So I hope you are right, and that his appearance in Vogue will create an ongoing conversation rather then a a momentary talking point. That seems to be what is happening.

 

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Dresses, pearls, boas, *** bows, tutus, and flouncy blouses.

 

I don't know. Everything is pretty androgynous which I give him much credit and I love androgyny like Prince and Bowie. He loves that, but the tutu for SNL was a little performative. IMO 

Either way I'm glad the conversation is on going. 

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10 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

I don't know. Everything is pretty androgynous which I give him much credit and I love androgyny like Prince and Bowie. He loves that, but the tutu for SNL was a little performative. IMO 

Either way I'm glad the conversation is on going. 

 

“To not wear [something] because it’s females’ clothing, you shut out a whole world of great clothes, and I think what’s exciting about right now is you can wear what you like. It doesn’t have to be X or Y. Those lines are becoming more and more blurred.”  - Harry.

"I think it can. I've always been into fashion, and I think especially when it comes to gender. We've moved beyond the idea that women wearing pants is a problem — thank you Katharine Hepburn. Women wearing pants is powerful, it's strong, everybody accepts it, and it's associated with the patriarchy. It's associated with being male. The minute a man puts on a dress it's disgusting. So what are you saying? Men are strong, women are disgusting. I'm not doing that anymore. I'm done with that. I'm a man in a dress, and if I feel like wearing a dress, I'm going to wear one." - Billy.

“As funny as it may sound, I’m a businessman, and wearing that [Oscars] dress was a business decision, in a sense,” he said. “People were like, ‘Oh, he’s just trying to get attention.’ Well, yeah, I’m in show business! It’s part of my job. Otherwise, I don’t eat.” - Billy. Speaking of performative...

Billy and Harry are both cis-gender men, neither are non-binary, but they both are using fashion to challenge gender norms. It's great.

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I Am The First Man to appear on Vogue Paris circa 2007. I set the tone for today’s fashion/gender fluidity on HIGH FASHION MAGAZINE COVERS. A Black Man did it before Harry Styles. Billy should do more research also" - Andre J The Urban Mystic

 

Errrrr Andre J was first...

 

The audacity of thinking you're the first person to dress like this lol

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10 hours ago, TasteLikeWhiskey said:

This whole thread is awesome

Love how non-binary fashion is the topic.....while race/sexuality is the issue!  Well done