Diane Warren blames pop stars for having multiple co-authors in a song

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1 hour ago, bionic said:

I do sometimes wonder how a song can have like 8+ writers when the lyrics are very simple

BUT I don't think it makes the song any less valuable because of that

I think that’s part of the humor in writing a good pop song though- often writers try to make it as simple and dumb as possible just so it’s an easy listen for the listeners. I remember Kesha saying talking about re-working Tik Tok until it was a very simple song to please the label.

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33 minutes ago, Harry said:

Writing credits are way more complicated than they appear, especially nowadays … It blows my mind that people still think that a song with numerous credits had all of those people working on every single lyric of a song. It’s a really general and simple take tbh.

Before all the twinks try to start dragging Beyonce, remember that Gaga had 8 writers to come up with “I live for the applause-plause live for the applause-plause”…

Did you not just say that credits are more complicated than they appear and then proceed to say Gaga needed 8 writers to write Applause? 

She wrote the song alone, and the concept demo proves that... if anyone had any question of that to begin with. The other "writer" credits are the producers and coproducers involved.

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1 hour ago, bionic said:

 beysement  

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1 hour ago, bionic said:

I do sometimes wonder how a song can have like 8+ writers when the lyrics are very simple

BUT I don't think it makes the song any less valuable because of that

because songwriting isn't just about lyrics ... ?  every single melody, from vocal melody to individual instruments, counts as songwriting. Production is the arrangement of those melodies together (harmonies, volumes, timbers, etc.) and the line between both is a very grey area. And each part of the song can warrant a credit, so for example if Gaga sang " I want your lovely love" and a random person walked in and said " stupid love would work better", they become a songwriter. Or the same, Beyoncé is a songwriter for Halo because she conceived the vocal melody of the bridge (the ooohooooohooooh part). 

[Ivy 12,561]

When she's talking about all the games artists have to play these days, I do think that's weird and I wouldn't want to do it either

But a song can be good no matter what, but I there can be something special about a song written totally from one person's point of view.. and some of my favorite of Gaga's have the least people involved

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She has a point tho. I tend not to consider most songs with multiple authors genuine and sincere songs, but marketing products. 

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2 minutes ago, Ivy said:

When she's talking about all the games artists have to play these days, I do think that's weird and I wouldn't want to do it either

But a song can be good no matter what, but I there can be something special about a song written totally from one person's point of view.. and some of my favorite of Gaga's have the least people involved

I think the main thing is usually when there are 300 writers it's either because the artist sampled someone or because the artist brought in other people to enhance what they had (a better bridge, stronger lyrics, etc.). But in some cases a songwriter alone can do a perfect job without any outside help, that is true. I think the thing is Prince the beatles etc. had a much less competitive market where it was easier to become a star and that made it easier to have hits without having to compete with 50 million popstars.

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3 hours ago, RainingOnMe said:

Did you not just say that credits are more complicated than they appear and then proceed to say Gaga needed 8 writers to write Applause? 

She wrote the song alone, and the concept demo proves that... if anyone had any question of that to begin with. The other "writer" credits are the producers and coproducers involved.

No, I didn't, what happened was that you missed what I meant entirely and in doing so completely proved my point.

We all know Gaga writes her lyrics, maybe with some help from others here and there. But we know she's the driving force. My point being that you can't judge the entire process and input of individuals on one song based on the credits which are often diluted down to recognise input of people in other areas.

You really tried though. But thanks for proving my point because I knew I'd get this exact response lol

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5 hours ago, Kimmo said:

***Beyoncé’s camp writing has left the chat…

she uses a **** ton of samples

and wbk she writes 

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5 hours ago, Teletubby said:

'Recently, “For me, it’s like’This is a great song. Listen on the radio!'” But it’s like “Well, no, you have to build a story.” is. F *** That.
“I don’t know how the Beatles and Prince would work if they existed now. They had to do a TikTok campaign, and if that didn’t work, the label would play their music. I didn’t push. Do you know? But it’s still an undeniable song. I still believe it. “

I'm sorry but WHAT?  I can't make a bit of sense out of any of this

 

4 hours ago, Harry said:

Writing credits are way more complicated than they appear, especially nowadays … It blows my mind that people still think that a song with numerous credits had all of those people working on every single lyric of a song. It’s a really general and simple take tbh.

Before all the twinks try to start dragging Beyonce, remember that Gaga had 8 writers to come up with “I live for the applause-plause live for the applause-plause”…

Yeah, Gaga's a great example actually. She and probably one or two other people are the main writers for each song but anyone who had any input is credited.

It's like baking a cake. There might be two people in the kitchen mixing ingredients, turning the oven on, etc but they'll thank the cashier at the grocery store where they bought the stuff, the farmer whose chickens laid the eggs and cows provided the milk, the driver that delivered the food to the store, etc.

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This is one of the reasons I have such huge respect for Billie.

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34 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I'm sorry but WHAT?  I can't make a bit of sense out of any of this

 

Yeah, Gaga's a great example actually. She and probably one or two other people are the main writers for each song but anyone who had any input is credited.

It's like baking a cake. There might be two people in the kitchen mixing ingredients, turning the oven on, etc but they'll thank the cashier at the grocery store where they bought the stuff, the farmer whose chickens laid the eggs and cows provided the milk, the driver that delivered the food to the store, etc.

Yeah I’d say that’s a pretty fair comparison. Stans like to use writing credits as reason to drag artists but it carries no weight. You could quite easily have person y and a credited on a song and one person wrote most of it and it could mean the same amount of input from person z as if there was 8 people on it. 

Besides it all comes from snobbery anyway. Some of the most impactful artists of all time didn’t write their songs… Elvis and Whitney spring to mind. Song credits don’t take away from the quality or delivery.

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6 hours ago, bionic said:

I do sometimes wonder how a song can have like 8+ writers when the lyrics are very simple

BUT I don't think it makes the song any less valuable because of that

Typically sampling is the reason OR they make a minor tweak to lyrics, music, etc. that is the amount enough to legally merit credit

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4 hours ago, salty like sodium said:

because songwriting isn't just about lyrics ... ?  every single melody, from vocal melody to individual instruments, counts as songwriting. Production is the arrangement of those melodies together (harmonies, volumes, timbers, etc.) and the line between both is a very grey area. And each part of the song can warrant a credit, so for example if Gaga sang " I want your lovely love" and a random person walked in and said " stupid love would work better", they become a songwriter. Or the same, Beyoncé is a songwriter for Halo because she conceived the vocal melody of the bridge (the ooohooooohooooh part). 

Which is fair! Like, halo wouldn’t be halo without its bridge melody. It’s not “just” doing this or that. They did it. Period. So they get credit lol v good point

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5 hours ago, duckworth said:

and had 15 to say she "heard a sine from above" 

edit: i love the song,, no hate intended. just to back the point 

To be honest most of the writers credited on Sine from Above are here because they worked on the original song penned for Elton years ago that Axwell 'gave' to Lady Gaga for rework as a Gaga x Elton duet.