French President, Macron, Don't Want Afghan Refugees In His Country

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1 minute ago, Not The Real Gaga said:

Integration is not the (main) goal most of the times. The general policy seems sending refugees back to their home countries once the situation there is declared safe enough.

If one can be relatively certain it will be a short stay i get that. But these situations often last many years. Of course they are gonna want lives. Better for a nation to also allow them to be productive rather than be of little value for years. Win win for the refugee and the Nation

 

And if many choose to stay after they are integrated even after situation improves whats the harm??? Workforce is seriously ageing across developed Nations anyway

 

I know France has a higher birth rate than most developed nations so the issue of ageing and/or declining population isnt as bad in France but even so the workforce is ageing there too. 

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11 minutes ago, Gagaloo911 said:

This just reeks of ethnocentrism and a mix of hate and discrimination under the guise of "cultural heritage" or "saving" one's culture.

Newsflash that culture is dynamic and ever-evolving it never stays the same and is never stangnant.

Rather than trying to play this off as explaining, just be honest with yourself that the French (you?) don't want the "scary" Muslim people coming into your country and "taking it over"

Sounds like it's coming straight from Fox News or a Republican here in the US

Also, all the pearl clutching and rationalizing going on in here when France played its own role in all this, and trying to shift the blame to the refugees when it was the West who destabilized their countries and displaced them to begin with is just pure comedy.

If only it were satire but you people genuinely believe you're justified or correct to demonstrate your hate and discrimination 

I mean, I think the OP worded it really badly, but there is a valid point in there. These people come from a patriarchal society and likely have a very conservative background. This clashes with the generally more progressive values of many people in Europe. Such challenges shouldn't be ignored.

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30 minutes ago, Economy said:

If one can be relatively certain it will be a short stay i get that. But these situations often last many years. Of course they are gonna want lives. Better for a nation to also allow them to be productive rather than be of little value for years. Win win for the refugee and the Nation

 

And if many choose to stay after they are integrated even after situation improves whats the harm??? Workforce is seriously ageing across developed Nations anyway

 

I know France has a higher birth rate than most developed nations so the issue of ageing and/or declining population isnt as bad in France but even so the workforce is ageing there too. 

 

I agree with you. Generally, though, integration procedures take a long time (especially when people, for example, don't have the right documents with them). I am afraid that many people will have to live in poor circumstances for a considerable amount of time before they can start with their integration. And those conditions don't help these poor people at all.

That process also comes with a lot of challenges. Although these will depend on the conditions in specific countries, I think finding jobs and homes for refugees will be an issue everywhere.

In my country, for example, there is a huge shortage of houses at the moment. It's hard to find one for an affordable price. Properly housing refugees is thus almost impossible given the current circumstances.

Also, I think in many countries, once refugees have found work, they can also get allowances (if they loose their job).

This potentially could cost society a lot of money, which - of course - shouldn't be a reason to not help people, but is one the factors why countries are hesitated to let refugees fully integrate and are more likely to slow the process down, so it's much easier to send people back if the situation in their home countries is declared safe enough.

Public support is probably also a factor that should be considered.

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22 minutes ago, Not The Real Gaga said:

I mean, I think the OP worded it really badly, but there is a valid point in there. These people come from a patriarchal society and likely have a very conservative background. This clashes with the generally more progressive values of many people in Europe. Such challenges shouldn't be ignored.

And this is a fair point. Of course, it assumes that they are all conservative and wouldn't respect the ideas and beliefs of the culture of the country that's taking them in.

Which isn't fair at all, and as part of the process of integrating into the culture they would have to learn about those more progressive ideas and beliefs, and at the very least respect them if they don't share them.

But at the end of the day, none of this takes aways from the fact that the West is to blame for displacing them to begin with, so it's on their shoulders and their duty to make it right.

I don't think this should always mean taking them into their own countries, as other countries nearby to the refugees' home countries are likely more similar and of similar beliefs, but again, it's not those countries that displaced them to begin with.

So the West should be doing its due diligence in forging alliances and agreements with them to take some too, at least until the refugees' home countries are stabilized and safe, if ever.

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2 hours ago, ProdigyARTPOP said:

This is slightly racist.

???? 

It was an answer to his first question of his post, read back the post instead of calling me a racist honey

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3 hours ago, Bat said:

Well, after all the terrorist attacks that France had to endure during the last 10 years it's not such a surprise that people aren't cheering for more Islamic people to come to France...

Those horrific attacks have traumatized a lot of French people.

Lol islamophobia is not a valid reason.

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1 minute ago, Jill said:

Lol islamophobia is not a valid reason.

If you took the time to read carefully, you could see that I was simply answering his question, not stating an opinion or what so ever. Besides that, I would challenge you to take a minute and step into the shoes of the people that have lost their loved ones by Islamic extremist in the attacks in the Battaclan, Nice or Charlie Hebdo...

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2 minutes ago, Bat said:

If you took the time to read carefully, you could see that I was simply answering his question, not stating an opinion or what so ever. Besides that, I would challenge you to take a minute and step into the shoes of the people that have lost their loved ones by Islamic extremist in the attacks in the Battaclan, Nice or Charlie Hebdo...

Yes but that doesn’t mean every single muslim or refugee is out to get you, that’s a very broad generalization & no you aren’t just answering a question, because you continue to justify this belief by presenting the same opinion.

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2 minutes ago, ProdigyARTPOP said:

Yes but that doesn’t mean every single muslim or refugee is out to get you, that’s a very broad generalization & no you aren’t just answering a question, because you continue to justify this belief by presenting the same opinion.

I didn’t present my opinion at all since Im neutral on this point and can have understand the point of views of both parties. 

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8 minutes ago, Bat said:

If you took the time to read carefully, you could see that I was simply answering his question, not stating an opinion or what so ever. Besides that, I would challenge you to take a minute and step into the shoes of the people that have lost their loved ones by Islamic extremist in the attacks in the Battaclan, Nice or Charlie Hebdo...

French people being "afraid" of Islam is an opinion, and not under any circumstances an objective truth. If they're afraid, they're either ignorant or brainwashed by fear mongering. There's no reason to be afraid of a whole ethnicity/religion because of a perceived terrorist danger. I read the comments, yours doesn't make sense anyhow. I lament the attacks made by extremists, but denying the right of these people based only on a stereotype is the definition of islamophobia.

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4 hours ago, Stanley Digaga said:

Saying he doesn't want Afghan refugees in his country would actually be a bad move as it sounds like a far-right statement and far-right (Marine Lepen) is most likely to be his main opposition next year.

It's a good move bcs it sounds like Le Pen. People will vote Le Pen again, people are fed up by laxism and it's not Afghanistan related, completely off topic but in general

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8 minutes ago, Bat said:

I didn’t present my opinion at all since Im neutral on this point and can have understand the point of views of both parties. 

But you do somewhat imply that the French citizens are righteous in their fear of Islamic people. Very similar to America and their reaction post-911, you acknowledged that there is a generalization placed on Islamic people by the French and took it further to imply they have a real reason to be afraid. It read as follows: “The French would simply not be afraid if Islamic people would not simply commit terroristic acts.”

 

Xenophobia is extremely easy to slip into and everyone knows it usually leads to blatant racism right after.

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2 hours ago, Karl said:

Islam isn't a race its a religion, can't be racist against an ancient book. 

but you can be racist and discriminatory to the people of its faith, so let’s stop acting like we don’t know what I meant. 

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1 minute ago, INNA said:

But you do somewhat imply that the French citizens are righteous in their fear of Islamic people. Very similar to America and their reaction post-911, you acknowledged that there is a generalization placed on Islamic people by the French and that took it further to imply they have a real reason to be afraid.

The reason and clarification is basic human psychology that some people in this thread might not seem to grasp. Im not saying this is right or wrong but if I was constantly attacked by purple giants than my natural reaction in the future is to be cautious to purple giants. That's all i was trying to serve as clarification to the OP's question.