EU court: Employers can ban headscarves and religious symbols

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10 minutes ago, Debithius said:

Well that's cause they don't live in Europe anyway and to them it's all about becoming right wing. 

I live in Europe and yes it right wing leaning ideas. I lived here for over 4 years, I know that people who support are actually right wingers who pretend to be all about liberty. 

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11 minutes ago, Aphroditus said:

Stop trying to sound smart, it is obviously about them. I am pretty no company has an issue with people wearing a cross. We have seen it many times.
This is how people are trying to force women into certain standards. You fail to see that, hiding behind xenophobia. You can’t preach freedom and liberty if it is conditional. 

Don't get pissed off cause I called a spade when it comes to the ignorance here lol.

You're dead wrong about no company being against crosses at work but you're sure you know how things are so...

Men would also be forced in certain neutrality standards so no it's for everybody, inform yourself.

Calling out discriminations when it's giving the same rules to everyone makes no sense, everyone could have political t shirts for example yet neutrality at workplaces rules may stop them all just like it may stop christians , Muslims etc men or women, folks with unions t shirts etc...

Well we all always adapt our freedoms uses so your last sentence sounded good yet was disconected from the truth of Living in a society.

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5 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

Don't get pissed off cause I called a spade when it comes to the ignorance here lol.

You're dead wrong about no company being against crosses at work but you're sure you know how things are so...

Men would also be forced in certain neutrality standards so no it's for everybody, inform yourself.

Calling out discriminations when it's giving the same rules to everyone makes no sense, everyone could have political t shirts for example...

Well we all always adapt our freedoms uses so your last sentence sounded good yet was disconected from the truth of Living in a society.

How is wearing a scarf equivalent to a political shirt? If the person is not a hair model, why does covering it or not that triggering? According to this logic
 

Anything can political if you want it to be. Wearing a MAGA hat or political shirt is not the same.

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22 minutes ago, Debithius said:

Well that's cause they don't live in Europe anyway and to them it's all about becoming right wing. 

They don't know yet they'll tell you it's about Muslims only cause no one will stop cross wearing at work which is false.

It's assumptions and accusations based on ignorance.

[Debithius 6,056]

13 minutes ago, Aphroditus said:

I live in Europe and yes it right wing leaning ideas. I lived here for over 4 years, I know that people who support are actually right wingers who pretend to be all about liberty. 

Then you would understand that Europe in general wants to separate religion from state. There are plenty of fields that would be better off without displaying anything religious.

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Just now, Debithius said:

Then you would unythat Europe is general wants to separate religion from state. There are plenty of fields that would be better off with no displaying anything religious symbols.

Separating religion from state doesnt mean individuals  dont have the choice to be religious or not. I dont like the scarf and dont like that women wear it. It is not my right to vote or choose what women wear period. As long as it is not covering her identity, it is noones place. 
 

These ideas started with xenophobia and ofc they scapegoating by policing what women should wear or not. If you fail to see this, then you can’t pretend to be liberal

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3 minutes ago, Aphroditus said:

How is wearing a scarf equivalent to a political shirt? If the person is not a hair model, why does covering it or not that triggering? 

I didn't say it was the same, just that it all felt under workplaces neutrality rules allowing clothes restrictions in europe therefore you saying it was against women or xenophobia was wrong. It's simply a general neutrality principle applied to all from different sexes origins etc.

 

i have to go, see you later !

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5 minutes ago, Debithius said:

There are plenty of fields that would be better off with no displaying anything religious symbols.

Yes, if the job requires someone to show their hair yes. But this law doesn’t exclusively say that.

[Emvee 8,832]

People pretending this isn’t about preserving western/Judeo-Christian culture 

[Guillaume Hamon 6,992]

12 hours ago, Fan Favorite said:

People pretending this isn’t about preserving western/Judeo-Christian culture 

Since it stopped a lot of judeo Christian culture to be shown in certain places for generations...

Since many european countries would actually get more Christian culture signs visible without these laws than signs than signs from other religions...

I don't think it's a fair portrayal.

I don't know why folks refuse that it can really be to separate workplaces and all religions.

[Guillaume Hamon 6,992]

13 hours ago, Aphroditus said:

Separating religion from state doesnt mean individuals  dont have the choice to be religious or not. I dont like the scarf and dont like that women wear it. It is not my right to vote or choose what women wear period. As long as it is not covering her identity, it is noones place. 
 

These ideas started with xenophobia and ofc they scapegoating by policing what women should wear or not. If you fail to see this, then you can’t pretend to be liberal

And these laws don't say individual lost their rights to be religious either.

And these laws/ principles often targeted christian signs at first so saying europe's neutrality at workplaces started with xenophobia is false.

You repeat it scapegoats what women wear when it concern men clothing neutrality at work as well...

Your critics are unfair.

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20 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

You repeat it scapegoats what women wear when it concern men clothing neutrality at work as well...

Your critics are unfair.

 

Poor men who cant wear crosses. You are proving my point.

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Just because a law is written to apply to all people, doesn't mean the execution and enforcement of that law won't disproportionately affect marginalized groups.

The law may not be biased, but the people who will carry it out certainly are.

[Debithius 6,056]

On 7/20/2021 at 8:26 AM, Aphroditus said:

Separating religion from state doesnt mean individuals  dont have the choice to be religious or not. I dont like the scarf and dont like that women wear it. It is not my right to vote or choose what women wear period. As long as it is not covering her identity, it is noones place. 
 

These ideas started with xenophobia and ofc they scapegoating by policing what women should wear or not. If you fail to see this, then you can’t pretend to be liberal

Or....just like tattoos, if it isn't appropriate to have religious symbols, then companies should be able to say no 

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16 minutes ago, Debithius said:

Or....just like tattoos

That is becoming a thing of the past, I don’t know where you work but there are more laws that protect such things, not other way around. 
 

One could argue that Dreadlocks are not appropriate for some jobs too . Or ban the rainbow flag since it can be a political symbol, no? Or would that be homophobic?

No they shouldn’t, laws should protect individuals rights within work space not the other way around. Specially from the EU that has advanced with worker rights for the big part but apparently finding ways to control what women should wear