dove 444 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Omg this gave me Martina Big vibes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine Sevigny 45,604 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Sneaky Oliver said: Gender is a socially constructed concept. The one youâre assigned with at birth and may change it for a big variety of reasons. Race or nationality (I donât think Korean is aâŠrace?) has nothing to do with the way you feel or want to be seen. Itâs something genetic. Itâs a very dangerous idea youâre stating since racism is a very violent tool against certain people, they might consider the option of identifying with another race to escape it If gender is a socially constructed concept, how can a person intrinsically feel like a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth? Does trans ness not support a gender binary? Likewise with ethnicity and/or race. Yes, you are born with your ancestral heritage. But race is also a socially constructed concept, there is only one human race and the definitions of what the âracesâ are have changed over time. So apart from the sociopolitical implications, I still donât see a difference. However I do acknowledge those implications and understand why people argue there is a difference. I just donât see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathantj594 901 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 And Paula Abdul ainât got [BLEEP] on me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 134,857 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, PussPuss said: If gender is a socially constructed concept, how can a person intrinsically feel like a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth? The way I've always seen it is those feelings arise after the respective gender norms are established in a person's mind. Then they define their identity with the norms as a reference point. R u đ? đ€šđ· Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Reginald said: "Korean?" This picture looks like Jaclyn Hill in a pink wig He looks like a lineup of Jeffree Stars friends...and yeah nobody is gonna accept he is Korean...this is so racist like... Stream my new single, đ"Heartbeat"đ, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craven Moorecox 2,806 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, PussPuss said: Iâll probably get roasted for this but I truly do not see a difference with identifying as a different âraceâ or identifying as a different gender. If you are a white man assigned at birth and can âfeelâ like a woman (what does that even mean?) why can they not âfeelâ black (what does that even mean?) If we respect how trans people identify why not people who identify with a different race. Being a black person in the US shaped my view and understanding of the world. To me itâs kinda insensitive to a culture for someone to be âtrans-racialâ when they are only obsessed with the trendy/good things that comes with the race.  The main issue that should be tackled is the self hate, idolization, and objectification that people who want to change races have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzGa 14,348 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Creepy, objectifying, and posessive.  If I was Jimin's manager/security I'd consider him a future threat just waiting for his opportunity. It makes me think celebrities should be able to enact a "fan restraining order" where certain stalker fans aren't allowed to consume any more Jimin-content or post about them online. God created Adam and Eve, but Gá»dga collabed with Brianđș and Steveđ· Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlorine Sevigny 45,604 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Craven Moorecox said: Being a black person in the US shaped my view and understanding of the world. To me itâs kinda insensitive to a culture for someone to be âtrans-racialâ when they are only obsessed with the trendy/good things that comes with the race.  The main issue that should be tackled is the self hate, idolization, and objectification that people who want to change races have. Yes, this I understand. But along those same lines, a womanâs experience is vastly different from a manâs. So for a person whose experience has been shaped with male privilege, what does it mean to âfeelâ like a woman? I guess Iâm trying to reconcile that in my own head and what makes that discussion different than the race discussion. I also appreciate the responses. I was expecting really harsh replies and I appreciate people taking time to talk about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Oliver 20,096 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, PussPuss said: If gender is a socially constructed concept, how can a person intrinsically feel like a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth? Does trans ness not support a gender binary? Likewise with ethnicity and/or race. Yes, you are born with your ancestral heritage. But race is also a socially constructed concept, there is only one human race and the definitions of what the âracesâ are have changed over time. So apart from the sociopolitical implications, I still donât see a difference. However I do acknowledge those implications and understand why people argue there is a difference. I just donât see it. You donât have to stick with whatever you were assigned at birth. Itâs not really known why some people shift in the gender spectrum. Itâs more like a psychological thing if you ask me. Imagine a white person starts  identifying as black. The âracesâ have some specific characteristics which define who you are.  Also, as I stated in my previous comment, race is such a stigma in our society and thereâs a lot of violence around it so âidentifying with another raceâ would be a very easy way to erase many races. Many governments have considered black people as mixed or native people as white or mixed and itâs a serious case of race erasure that actually had happened before and still does everyday. Iâm on my Legacy Act era Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 96,650 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 That is not how it works, Olly! Have you got no shame?! (ïŸâăźâ)ïŸâ§*:ïœ„ïŸ be delulu until it becomes trululu (*ÂŽèžïœ*) âĄâĄâĄ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Oliver 20,096 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 46 minutes ago, PussPuss said: But along those same lines, a womanâs experience is vastly different from a manâs. So for a person whose experience has been shaped with male privilege, what does it mean to âfeelâ like a woman? I guess Iâm trying to reconcile that in my own head and what makes that discussion different than the race discussion. Sorry to put it that way but your comment sounds a lot like a transphobic speech. Iâm glad youâre open to discussing it. Some people are born with male genitalia but donât feel like the âmaleâ gender. Being a man implies a lot more than owning the male genitalia because the idea of being male or female comes with a lot of previously established ideas about what a male is supposed to be. This is what I meant for âsocially constructed conceptâ because this idea changes accordingly to the historical moment or different cultures. Iâm on my Legacy Act era Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craven Moorecox 2,806 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 56 minutes ago, PussPuss said: Yes, this I understand. But along those same lines, a womanâs experience is vastly different from a manâs. So for a person whose experience has been shaped with male privilege, what does it mean to âfeelâ like a woman? I guess Iâm trying to reconcile that in my own head and what makes that discussion different than the race discussion. I also appreciate the responses. I was expecting really harsh replies and I appreciate people taking time to talk about it. As a drag queen, when I am in full make up I feel like âthe woman I want to be, and not societyâs definition of a womanâ. All women arenât the same, and are treated and values differently throughout the world. Some work, some take care of family, some are lesbians, and some are global pop superstars. They have different cultures, backgrounds, and other factors that makes them who they are. Trans women have their own personal idea of the woman that will be once they transition.  In regards to trans-racial, you technically are doing the opposite for that race. Instead of liberating them, you are reduce them to stereotypes. Promoting those stereotypes and changing your genetic features and behavior to reinforce those stereotypes does more harm than good. The singer isnât trying to be his own type of âKoreanâ, he is just trying to be a caricature of Korean culture. His extreme unhealthy obsession with Jimin (Who is a real person and not an object that can be owned) is an example of the objectification and fetishization many minority groups face by white people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Oliver 20,096 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 @Craven Moorecox gurl itâs been a while since I last saw you here on GGD! Youâre amazing! Iâm on my Legacy Act era Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craven Moorecox 2,806 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sneaky Oliver said: @Craven Moorecox gurl itâs been a while since I last saw you here on GGD! Youâre amazing! Hahaha! I am always lurking! Just been busy with performing and personal life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okinawa 1,278 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 5:54 PM, PussPuss said: If gender is a socially constructed concept, how can a person intrinsically feel like a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth? Does trans ness not support a gender binary? Likewise with ethnicity and/or race. Yes, you are born with your ancestral heritage. But race is also a socially constructed concept, there is only one human race and the definitions of what the âracesâ are have changed over time. So apart from the sociopolitical implications, I still donât see a difference. However I do acknowledge those implications and understand why people argue there is a difference. I just donât see it. You are right. SneakyOliver Argumentation makes no sense if gender is socially constructed, so is race and national identity  Easy exemple: if you are living in French-speaking QuĂ©bec you are legally Canadian, but the people there often don't feel Candian like the Anglo-Canadians and some may identify as an own nation. However, this can eausily chang,e for example hwen osmeone moves form QuĂ©bec to Vancouver or so. Same logics apply to gender there cannot be logical exemptions    ~We are Reel Cool~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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