Serbia Warned Won't Pay Sick Leave To Anti-Vaxx Who Catches Coronavirus

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42 minutes ago, TSUNAMI said:

If you have the belief that vaccine will help you and you're 100% sure in it - vaccinate yourself and protect yourself. That does not give you any right to decide instead of anybody else. 
That does not give you right to manipulate anyone by making them question their existence by cutting off their money. 

It isn't that deep, no one's making someone question their existence 

They have the choice to not get the vaccine. The state is simply saying that they'll face the consequences of that choice on their own because they have the means readily available to them to avoid those consequences all together.

And the "belief that the vaccine will help" isn't a "belief", it's a fact. Not all opinions are equal. Ones rooted in reality are vastly superior to ones rooted in superstition, misinformation, or ego

This isn't a bad thing. People need to be held accountable for not doing their part in the society that they live in.

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3 hours ago, MyQueen said:

This is so wrong!

with Aleksandar Vucic everything in Serbia is wrong

[TSUNAMI 21,297]

22 minutes ago, PartySick said:

They have the choice to not get the vaccine. The state is simply saying that they'll face the consequences of that choice on their own because they have the means readily available to them to avoid those consequences all together.

I don't agree with it and it's not all that black and white. 

Money that they are going to pay out to sick people that use their sick days are the money accumulated by the health insurance tax paid by everyone that is insured. While we do believe in science and the vaccine we cannot expect that from everybody that's in the health insurance tax system, nor we cannot penalize it by not giving people the right they are entitled to. If you get sick, you should have a right for a paid sick leave. No matter what the disease is. That's how health system should work for all the ones that are paying for it, no matter which side they choose to be on. 

22 minutes ago, PartySick said:

And the "belief that the vaccine will help" isn't a "belief", it's a fact. Not all opinions are equal. Ones rooted in reality are vastly superior to ones rooted in superstition, misinformation, or ego

We should respect people beliefs no matter how dumb they are. Also, there are cases that where people died after taking the vaccine, people with severe complications, etc. People have right to be scared, people have right to question thing. 

This is not something that's happening out whole life, this situation is very new and strange to everybody on the planet and we all react differently. We should also respect that. 

 

I'm not good with marginalizing and excluding anyone, no matter what. We should learn from our past mistakes, not repeat them.  

 

 

 

And I know I will be LMAO'd and ridiculed for it but that's my honest opinion. I dont't think we should force anyone on anything. 

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If you support this I have zero respect for you. 

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5 hours ago, Nemanja said:

with Aleksandar Vucic everything in Serbia is wrong

Znam! Isto sa Janezom

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9 hours ago, Chris Thomason said:

Part of me likes this, part of me thinks people are going to lie and say they haven't got covid when they do

That's why they will ask u to get tested with a time stamp.

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5 hours ago, TSUNAMI said:

We should respect people beliefs no matter how dumb they are. Also, there are cases that where people died after taking the vaccine, people with severe complications, etc. People have right to be scared, people have right to question thing. 

Science isn't a belief, that's the whole point. Science is a factual reality, ESEPCIALLY when it comes to things like vaccines. There is nothing to respect here if people choose to be idiots when it comes to vaccination, especially after they are educated on it and they still refuse it.

Statistics are against anyone opposing the vaccine. A simple google search can prove anyone who says otherwise wrong. There is literally no logical reason to be scared and we need to stop making excuses for people out of "respect for their beliefs", especially when they are harming the world by their ignorance. There is a small chance of severe side effects with absolutely anything, including walking around your house or drinking water. We can't just take the "but some people died!!!!" excuse and run with it and respect those using it as a lame excuse to not take a vaccine. And people who actually can't take the vaccines because of health issues are obviously not included in this ignorance because there are cases where doctors advise against vaccination for certain patients. But if you are able to take a vaccine and you refuse to, then no I have no respect for you. 

Let's leave beliefs to religion and aliens or whatever isn't scientifically factual. And even then I have no obligation to respect those beliefs but that's another discussion for another day.

That being said, I'm not sure I agree with the Serbian warning thing. In addition to the fact that it's a problematic decision, it's also people other people at risk. If you're gonna force a covid patient to come to work, you're putting everyone else in the office at risk of contacting and spreading the virus even if they're vaccinated. 

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10 hours ago, weed said:

Serbyass

At first I read it like Super bass 

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6 hours ago, TSUNAMI said:

Everyone that work are obliged to pay for the healthcare system. EVERYONE. Which means everyone should have the same benefits and rights because nobody is being excluded from paying it nor anyone is paying less/more for the elementary healthcare. 

People of Serbia are not to blame for Corona. In fact, government bad decisions are to blame for huge numbers of Corona in Serbia.
If there was no money in EU fonds that they want to take they wouldn't care about vaccination of their people. Now, when they have to listen to EU they are sucking up to them and are forcing people act in, for them, profitable way.  

Furthermore, there are two choices. Take the vaccine or don't take it. You should have right to choose without being forced into vaccination by making people wonder if they'll have anything to eat in case they get sick. When you bring someone's existence in question and use it as an ultimatum - that's a forceful behavior. 

If you have the belief that vaccine will help you and you're 100% sure in it - vaccinate yourself and protect yourself. That does not give you any right to decide instead of anybody else. 
That does not give you right to manipulate anyone by making them question their existence by cutting off their money. 

 

 

Also, as a person that survived rape and is currently on therapy because of it - no, I don't need to look up what rape means. 

My ex was making me have sex with him, when I didn't want to, by telling me he's gonna kick me out of the apartment and to destroy my life after frequently destroying my character and making me feel worthless and unwanted, in a foregin country.  Does that classify as a rape for you? 

 

 

 

 

Also, just because most of you come from the civilized countries, does not mean that we all do. Some of us don't believe our government with a reason. They were doing everything in their power to corruptly **** up entire country. They stole all the money from the people, now, when they should have benefits and when country should protect ALL of it's people - they're actually marginalizing the people that don't want to vaccinate. 

For me, that should be a choice. 

this is laughable and you should be ashamed you even typed out this heinous response.

no one is FORCED to get the vaccine with this method. it’s still an option. you have the choice to prevent or lessen the sickness, and if you don’t take that choice, they rightfully will not pay for your absence. people are so quick to absolve any responsibility from themselves it’s wild. 

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This is so stupid, it will make people with covid go to work nevertheless to avoid loosing money, leading eventually to more infections. 

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Meanwhile America..

 

[PartySick 172,540]

On 5/7/2021 at 4:20 AM, TSUNAMI said:

We should respect people beliefs no matter how dumb they are

Eh, I disagree. If someone refuses the vaccine despite being eligible then they get sick then they're taking up resources like a hospital bed, pain killers and/or steroids, oxygen, etc which could be used to care for someone who actually couldn't be vaccinated.

Like, that's not a belief, it's just selfish ignorance

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5 hours ago, PartySick said:

Eh, I disagree. If someone refuses the vaccine despite being eligible then they get sick then they're taking up resources like a hospital bed, pain killers and/or steroids, oxygen, etc which could be used to care for someone who actually couldn't be vaccinated.

Like, that's not a belief, it's just selfish ignorance

You would need to understand people of Serbia. I come from Croatia and people there are also delusional. 

While my personal choice is to get vaccinated I can understand why people don't believe Serbian government and how everything looks to them. Very vast number of those people are uneducated just because Serbian government kept wanting to be a mini Russia, so they did nothing to change things in that matter. 

 

But no matter what, healthcare system in Serbia is a system where everyone that works pays for it. All the vaccine, medications, tests,... is being paid from that fond. You can NOT be excluded from paying it. Everyone has to have it and pay it. 

So, not paying sick days to ones who don't want to get vaccinated is like saying "Oh, you've been paying healthcare system for 30 years every month, well, **** you, we have your money now." 

Government is NOT gifting vaccine to people, it's taking resources from THEIR money. That they have been investing EVERY month in order to be medically insured and have a right to get sick and get paid for getting sick. 

And I am opposed of taking anyone's rights. But I approve of taking someone's privilege. Which is COMPLETELY different thing from the basic human right that should try to secure your existence. Just because people don't act like you want does not give anyone right to take what they work for.

 

People are scared and have a right to be scared. Not everyone is like us and not everyone can understand severity of the situation, this would only worsen the things for people of Serbia and would cause biggest political instability since 1990's. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Lion Heart said:

Meanwhile America..

 

 

 

That is come out randomly, isn't it?

But America is 4th best countries with vaccination rates only behind Israel, Chile, and Bahrain. Already got 100 millions of the citizens fully vaccinated with both shots. While the UK stands at 5th.

Perhaps drag Germany or France better, or any other of those EU countries. Those better than thou attitude finally came and bite them in the azz, it seems.