Scotland should legally be forced to remain in the union says Tory MSP

[Better Day 5,766]

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19249360.tory-msp-says-scotland-legally-forced-stay-union/

[PartySick 172,393]

Can Scotland not make its own choices? I mean, I don't see the point in breaking up unions but if they want to leave, let them leave

[Benji 20,113]

Again, nationalist spin.

He said we need a law “defining how frequently referendums on such a matter may be held” after the previous “once in a lifetime” referendum is trying to be retconned within a decade  I’m in total agreement, the SNP can’t call for a referendum every time they don’t get an answer they want.

[Better Day 5,766]

2 minutes ago, Benji said:

Again, nationalist spin.

He said we need a law “defining how frequently referendums on such a matter may be held” after the previous “once in a lifetime” referendum is trying to be retconned within a decade  I’m in total agreement, the SNP can’t call for a referendum every time they don’t get an answer they want.

Of course you’d think that. A referendum should be called if the people of a specific country calls for one, that’s democracy. We, as Scots, have a mandate for Indyref2 because of Brexit 

The UK Government should not legally force us to stay in the union. That’s not a union of equals, that’s colonisation. 

[bionic 50,111]

7 minutes ago, Benji said:

Again, nationalist spin.

He said we need a law “defining how frequently referendums on such a matter may be held” after the previous “once in a lifetime” referendum is trying to be retconned within a decade  I’m in total agreement, the SNP can’t call for a referendum every time they don’t get an answer they want.

I get that there shouldn't be referenda every 5 minutes, but if the SNP are re-elected on a manifesto that states they will request a national referendum, is that not a public mandate for one? 

There should have been frequency restrictions from the start. 

As the old adage would go... remain needs to win every time, independence only needs to win once

[Benji 20,113]

Just now, Miss Dolly said:

Of course you’d think that. A referendum should be called if the people of a specific country calls for one, that’s democracy. We, as Scots, have a mandate for Indyref2 because of Brexit 

A majority voted to remain in a “once in a lifetime” referendum under ten years ago.  Referendums mean nothing if they happen time after time until the party calling for them gets the answer they want.  Remember, it could take you five referendums to finally get a leave majority but then that’s it, I don’t think the rest of the kingdom would vote in favour of having Scotland rejoin them and become a burden for the tax payer again.

[Living 1,583]

7 minutes ago, Benji said:

Again, nationalist spin.

He said we need a law “defining how frequently referendums on such a matter may be held” after the previous “once in a lifetime” referendum is trying to be retconned within a decade  I’m in total agreement, the SNP can’t call for a referendum every time they don’t get an answer they want.

LOL talk about a hot take

[Living 1,583]

2 minutes ago, Benji said:

A majority voted to remain in a “once in a lifetime” referendum under ten years ago.  Referendums mean nothing if they happen time after time until the party calling for them gets the answer they want.  Remember, it could take you five referendums to finally get a leave majority but then that’s it, I don’t think the rest of the kingdom would vote in favour of having Scotland rejoin them and become a burden for the tax payer again.

You think Scotland is a burden on England’s tax payers? 
 

honestly, have you done any research? 
 

as a English born man, living in England.. Scotland can leave. They would be much better off without England. It’s awful here and getting worse. 
 

[Benji 20,113]

2 minutes ago, bionic said:

I get that there shouldn't be referenda every 5 minutes, but if the SNP are re-elected on a manifesto that states they will request a national referendum, is that not a public mandate for one? 

There should have been frequency restrictions from the start. 

As the old adage would go... remain needs to win every time, independence only needs to win once

To be fair, that’s all the MP in the article states in saying that there should be a time limit on the next referendum if another happens.  

[Benji 20,113]

1 minute ago, Living said:

You think Scotland is a burden on England’s tax payers? 
 

honestly, have you done any research? 
 

as a English born man, living in England.. Scotland can leave. They would be much better off without England. It’s awful here and getting worse. 
 

More money is sent upto Scotland per head than in England, Scotland has a very good deal with being a part of the union.

[Petie Estie 5,704]

I mean the UK is basically a country comprised of states is it not? Closer to that than the EU at least, I thought? I don't see why scotland would be allowed to just leave. That's like if the confederacy in the US decided to make their own country and abe lincoln just said ok have fun 

That said I think they should fight for it if they want it. The UK constantly screws them. 

[Better Day 5,766]

4 minutes ago, Benji said:

A majority voted to remain in a “once in a lifetime” referendum under ten years ago.  Referendums mean nothing if they happen time after time until the party calling for them gets the answer they want.  Remember, it could take you five referendums to finally get a leave majority but then that’s it, I don’t think the rest of the kingdom would vote in favour of having Scotland rejoin them and become a burden for the tax payer again.

The “once in a lifetime” statement was highlighting the importance of the first one, they were no talk of the EU referendum in 2014. The “once in a lifetime” is not legally binding, they were mention of it in the Edinburgh Agreement or in the Smith Commission. The UK Scotland voted to remain in 2014 is totally different than the one we have in 2021.  I’m a democrat as I am believe that the will of the people should always be respected. 

[Better Day 5,766]

3 minutes ago, Benji said:

More money is sent upto Scotland per head than in England, Scotland has a very good deal with being a part of the union.

Barely, our voice is barely heard. Our votes doesn’t mean sh*t in the “union of equals” 

[Better Day 5,766]

1 minute ago, SEANGT said:

I mean the UK is basically a country comprised of states is it not? Closer to that than the EU at least, I thought? I don't see why scotland would be allowed to just leave. That's like if the confederacy in the US decided to make their own country and abe lincoln just said ok have fun 

No, the UK is comprised of 4 nations. We aren’t states, we are all 4 nations in a union together. 

[Better Day 5,766]

11 minutes ago, bionic said:

I get that there shouldn't be referenda every 5 minutes, but if the SNP are re-elected on a manifesto that states they will request a national referendum, is that not a public mandate for one? 

There should have been frequency restrictions from the start. 

As the old adage would go... remain needs to win every time, independence only needs to win once

That’s my stance. I’m not in favour of having one every 5 minutes. However, if the will of the people are to have another referendum it should be respected. That never happened in 2019 in regards to Brexit, more people voted for pro-EU parties than for Brexit parties.