I don't like the Kpop industry. They are abused.

[Noah 26,981]

2 minutes ago, Aphasic Top said:

Conversations are good but what else is being done to prevent this issues? 

it starts with the companies being more aware and starting to report hate comments or threats to the police, voicing their lawyers etc. and since you love links:

https://www.cybersmile.org/news/south-korea-set-to-introduce-cyberbullying-laws-in-the-wake-of-k-pop-suicides

4 minutes ago, Aphasic Top said:

How can they be honest when being gay is a huge issue in South Korea. There are topics they simply aren't allowed to talk about or put in their music, so yeah, they don't have the freedom other artists have in other places.

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/same-sex-couples-excluded-south-koreas-new-definition-families

 

The USA is a far more open country than Korea and their Idea of Same Sex Couples etc. didnt change until 6 years ago, especially with how conservative Asian countries are and with how those things are slowly becoming more and more accepted and normalized (thanks to the younger generation) it‘s stupid to use that as an argument. Are you gay in South Korea? Do you feel victimized being gay in South Korea? It‘s not like you can‘t celebrate pride there (like in Russia). You can be prideful, you can hold hands and same sex skin ship is far more normal in Korea than in the USA. 

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4 minutes ago, Autumn said:

there are several openly gay or lgbt korean artists. not as many as in america, but that's because korea is a more conservative country than america. this is changing rapidly. five years ago it would be unthinkable to have a single gay kpop idol. you're focusing on the problems without even pausing to think about the change. it's literally one of the fastest and most liberal societal changes i think i've ever witnessed, and many young people in korea are now supportive of the lgbt community.

my point was that they can be honest, through metaphor and nuance, and there have been many studies of certain kpop songs, examining themes of sexuality and honesty in them. just because they regretably can't yet wear drag on stage or explicitly say that they're gay, it doesn't mean they're dishonest or manufcatured, and this isn't an industry issue, it's a country-wide issue. changing the industry isn't gonna change this.

It's more than being "conservative". Same sex couples are literally excluded from the legal term in South Korea, which in itself is an awful and dehumanizing way of viewing gay people. So give me a break. This is beyond just being conservative. 

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1 minute ago, Aphasic Top said:

Never said Kpop is the worst globally. It's fair to speak up about a certain topic and add to it to improve the whole system. This is not a baseless statement about the music industry in South Korea and of course many countries have similar situations.

nnn yeah it's just that a lot of previous kpop threads on GGD have had this tone  I agree with your intentions that it's important to discuss on this topic, and I'm surprised there hasn't been anything completely toxic in this thread yet

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Just now, Aphasic Top said:

Never said Kpop is the worst globally. It's fair to speak up about a certain topic and add to it to improve the whole system. This is not a baseless statement about the music industry in South Korea and of course many countries have similar situations.

get your saviour complex and leave. this conversation is tiring me. you continue to weaponize the narrative about abuse to put down kpop artists and the industry whilst not seeming to actually care about it. take the three articles you all always quote and sit down please. we are combatting these issues, we are trying to increase discussion and normalize discussion of these issues, and we are helping to support our artists in an already cutthroat industry. your statements are not baseless, but they are painfully one-sided and you continuously fail to see any positive in what the kpop industry does.

not to mention how only quoting western english-language media about an issue in asia is problematic to start with. almost like you want to have your saviour complex and want to 'defend' kpop artists without actually hearing a single word from the people who know more about it than you.

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1 minute ago, Aphasic Top said:

It's more than being "conservative". Same sex couples are literally excluded from the legal term in South Korea, which in itself is an awful and dehumanizing way of viewing gay people. So give me a break. This is beyond just being conservative. 

that's a korea issue then. not a kpop issue. so why did you mask it as a kpop issue?

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1 minute ago, Autumn said:

get your saviour complex and leave. this conversation is tiring me. you continue to weaponize the narrative about abuse to put down kpop artists and the industry whilst not seeming to actually care about it. take the three articles you all always quote and sit down please. we are combatting these issues, we are trying to increase discussion and normalize discussion of these issues, and we are helping to support our artists in an already cutthroat industry. your statements are not baseless, but they are painfully one-sided and you continuously fail to see any positive in what the kpop industry does.

not to mention how only quoting western english-language media about an issue in asia is problematic to start with. almost like you want to have your saviour complex and want to 'defend' kpop artists without actually hearing a single word from the people who know more about it than you.

 

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1 minute ago, Autumn said:

get your saviour complex and leave. this conversation is tiring me. you continue to weaponize the narrative about abuse to put down kpop artists and the industry whilst not seeming to actually care about it. take the three articles you all always quote and sit down please. we are combatting these issues, we are trying to increase discussion and normalize discussion of these issues, and we are helping to support our artists in an already cutthroat industry. your statements are not baseless, but they are painfully one-sided and you continuously fail to see any positive in what the kpop industry does.

not to mention how only quoting western english-language media about an issue in asia is problematic to start with. almost like you want to have your saviour complex and want to 'defend' kpop artists without actually hearing a single word from the people who know more about it than you.

This conversation wouldn't be happening if only they stanned ateez and shinee and onlyoneof

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1 minute ago, Aphasic Top said:

 

they're being so defensive and rude for no reason lol at this point i would just ignore this thread. they've made their points and we've made ours 

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2 minutes ago, Autumn said:

get your saviour complex and leave. this conversation is tiring me. you continue to weaponize the narrative about abuse to put down kpop artists and the industry whilst not seeming to actually care about it. take the three articles you all always quote and sit down please. we are combatting these issues, we are trying to increase discussion and normalize discussion of these issues, and we are helping to support our artists in an already cutthroat industry. your statements are not baseless, but they are painfully one-sided and you continuously fail to see any positive in what the kpop industry does.

not to mention how only quoting western english-language media about an issue in asia is problematic to start with. almost like you want to have your saviour complex and want to 'defend' kpop artists without actually hearing a single word from the people who know more about it than you.

I don't speak Korean. Show me articles about this topic from South Korea. I want to learn and understand more about how someone can defend this.

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3 minutes ago, Autumn said:

that's a korea issue then. not a kpop issue. so why did you mask it as a kpop issue?

Korean Pop = Kpop

 

 

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1 minute ago, homomart said:

they're being so defensive and rude for no reason lol at this point i would just ignore this thread. they've made their points and we've made ours 

you're calling our favourite artists 'manufactured' and 'not honest' so yes we are getting defensive. do you expect us to agree with your points putting down every aspect of the music we love?

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Just now, Autumn said:

you're calling our favourite artists 'manufactured' and 'not honest' so yes we are getting defensive. do you expect us to agree with your points putting down every aspect of the music we love?

Never said any of that, I have been strictly criticizing the industry while you've had this passive aggressive tone to every response.

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1 minute ago, homomart said:

they're being so defensive and rude for no reason lol at this point i would just ignore this thread. they've made their points and we've made ours 

I sadly have to agree with you. The conversation seems to have triggered personal issues rather than speak on the matter at hand.

[Noah 26,981]

4 minutes ago, Aphasic Top said:

It's more than being "conservative". Same sex couples are literally excluded from the legal term in South Korea, which in itself is an awful and dehumanizing way of viewing gay people. So give me a break. This is beyond just being conservative. 

This is not only a Kpop Issue tho and most young people in Korea are pro-LGBT. 

You constantly act like Koreas issues are only Kpop Issues. You act like we do not care nor hear the voices of injustice, but we do. We write paragraphs and you continue to send a few links that you probably do not even read yourself. You do not want to understand kpop or think about the issues in Korea, instead you want to prove to yourself that the Kpop Industry is bad. You do not want to change your opinion about things or see changes in the society happen. Of course a government full of old people who‘re trying to preserve the birthrate will try to do anything for that to be a thing. Many young Koreans (just like in the article you sent) do not believe in old, heteronormative institutions like marriage or the way a family looks anymore. But that has nothing to do with Kpop.