I don't like the Kpop industry. They are abused.

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Lol. Yes everyone shut this **** down. Love it. 

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Just now, NicoB said:

I agree with you with the part of diminishing the artistic value. They do make musics as they like, of course the big groups have managers to change some stuff in a way it can be more public appealing, but this happens in the music industry as a whole. Now, about the mistreatment and pushing a hard work to the artists limits is something really abusive, that is totally  the companie's fault 

this is my point. the issues in kpop are serious and need to be taken seriously. but i'm sick of people using that as an argument to try and prove that our artists are somehow artistically inferior.

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1 minute ago, Noah said:

That‘s incorrect. The Industry has many artists from groups after disbandment that carry on. Most of them do not want or need to or start their studies tho. Many artists built an ‚empire‘ during their days as a Singer (by opening bakeries, buying land or houses etc.) so they do not have to work. Kpop Artists tend to either go into studies or acting/continuing music once their group days are over. Most also join the Groups in order to pursue solo careers.

The Industry is also not like the military - you can join at a young age if you want to, leave at a young age if you want to and your parents are mostly in on it and support your dream. Many artists maybe see after their training period that they‘d rather focus on studies or go on hiatuses to study etc. It‘s not as black or white. 

https://people.com/music/inside-heartbreaking-kpop-suicides-the-loneliness-settles-in-says-singer-amber-liu/

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2 minutes ago, Autumn said:

this is my point. the issues in kpop are serious and need to be taken seriously. but i'm sick of people using that as an argument to try and prove that our artists are somehow artistically inferior.

That's my point. The industry is horrifying, but why are people making this the artists' fault? Isn't that gaslighting?

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Just now, Autumn said:

this is my point. the issues in kpop are serious and need to be taken seriously. but i'm sick of people using that as an argument to try and prove that our artists are somehow artistically inferior.

Who's talking about inferiority? I'm defending them! I'm against the abuse they suffer. But you are entitled to your own biased opinion.

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I'm still in awe that people are trying to excuse the abuse? Okay, YOUR favorite group doesn't get mistreated but what about all the other groups that have been abused and taken advantage of? Of course a group like BTS will have more liberties since they're at a global scale but other groups still don't have that privilege.

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1 minute ago, homomart said:

I'm still in awe that people are trying to excuse the abuse? Okay, YOUR favorite group doesn't get mistreated but what about all the other groups that have been abused and taken advantage of? Of course a group like BTS will have more liberties since their at a global scale but other groups still don't have that privilege.

We literally don't. 

We hate that it happens. And we show our hatred. What don't you get about that?

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Just now, Aphasic Top said:

Who's talking about inferiority? I'm defending them! I'm against the abuse they suffer. But you are entitled to your own biased opinion.

they're 'manufactured' and 'like machines' suggests they have no creative control. it's a narrative constantly pushed so i'm not surprised that you also think it. they do express their feelings through their music, contrary to what you said in the op, they're not manufactured contrary to what you said in the op.

i'm literally agreeing with you on the argument about abuse, but as always, you used it to push through a bunch of other narratives about being manufactured and having no artistic control.

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1 minute ago, Aphasic Top said:

https://people.com/music/inside-heartbreaking-kpop-suicides-the-loneliness-settles-in-says-singer-amber-liu/

I do not get the article in relation with my comment (maybe you didnt read either of them) but the suicide is a serious issue in Kpop that Koreans and International Stans are aware of. The Industry is hard and lonely (just like the American Industry) and there is an overflow of hatecomments (just like in the western industry). Korea is slowly changing with reforms and acts to go against those people who leave hate comments. I do not get your way of weaponizing this to say the Industry is is machine (which does no one any good and only brings pain). The change of mental health being taken more serious also is reaching Korea (even if it takes more time). 

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Just now, blindinghope said:

We literally don't. 

We hate that it happens. And we show our hatred. What don't you get about that?

just show them the midnight theories channel or something, and they'll see we have entire youtube channels dedicated to educating ourselves on these issues, but they don't see that because they have both a crazy saviour complex with a desire to 'end the abuse and suffering in the kpop industry' whilst also pushing harmful narratives about kpop being lifeless and manufactured.

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Just now, blindinghope said:

We literally don't. 

We hate that it happens. And we show our hatred. What don't you get about that?

But at the same time I've seen other users make points about suicide and how some groups don't have creative control and you guys make a laundry list of groups that don't struggle with that. It just makes it seem invalidating when those issues still occur. As I said, those groups may not be abused but that doesn't mean there isn't an issue.

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5 minutes ago, homomart said:

I'm still in awe that people are trying to excuse the abuse? Okay, YOUR favorite group doesn't get mistreated but what about all the other groups that have been abused and taken advantage of? Of course a group like BTS will have more liberties since their at a global scale but other groups still don't have that privilege.

i think more of what we're trying to say comes from the fact that western music / entertainment fans harass kpop stans about these issues, when of course there are issues in both areas. This could obviously be seen as "unfair" for some fans. Kpop stans are pretty vocal about mistreatment and the problems in the industry (sometimes even reaching for mistreatment claims )

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Just now, Irrelevant said:

i think more of what we're trying to say comes from the fact that western music / entertainment fans harass kpop stans about these issues, when of course there are issues in both areas. Kpop stans are pretty vocal about mistreatment and the problems in the industry (sometimes even reaching for mistreatment claims )

I already explained how I believe both industries deserve criticism but what I've been seeing in this thread is KPop fans invalidating the abuse that other groups have gone through just because their favorite groups haven't experienced it.

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Just now, homomart said:

I already explained how I believe both industries deserve criticism but what I've been seeing in this thread is KPop fans invalidating the abuse that other groups have gone through just because their favorite groups haven't experienced it.

we don't do that though. show me where someone has done it.

you might be confusing that with our argument that 'there are lots of groups who don't go through this so to say it's an issue with ALL kpop groups is simply incorrect'.

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1 minute ago, Autumn said:

we don't do that though. show me where someone has done it.

you might be confusing that with our argument that 'there are lots of groups who don't go through this so to say it's an issue with ALL kpop groups is simply incorrect'.

"shinee. super junior. taeyeon. bigbang. exo. bts. monsta x. got7. mamamoo. apink. winner. iu... and i'm not even close to the end? those are literally the biggest artists in kpop at the moment and they're all in their late 20s." This is a literal laundry list of what I was talking about.