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13 minutes ago, Regina George said:

Okay I am honestly not going to explain to you why classless system wouldn’t work if you are not able to understand that concept by yourself. I am not saying this current system is GREAT but it is working. To say that it is not working is just not true. Take care! 

I'm sorry but it's not working, it's common sense, kids dying of hunger, famine still existing, and homelessness is not a good working system where everyone has the basic necessity of life. A home, access to water, access to health, access to education and equal opportunity. A good working system would mean every single individual in this world started out with the same opportunity, and the basic necessities to survive. 

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14 minutes ago, Regina George said:

Okay I am honestly not going to explain to you why classless system wouldn’t work if you are not able to understand that concept by yourself. I am not saying this current system is GREAT but it is working. To say that it is not working is just not true. Take care! 

Alright, long post, but please read it all before you decide to respond or not:

The World Health Organization estimates that 3.575 million people die from lack of clean water, and that 1.5 million people die from vaccinable diseases every year. Mercy Corps estimates that nine million people die from hunger every year. By summing these deaths, it can be concluded that capitalism kills approximately 14 million people per year.

Why is capitalism the culprit here? All of humanity’s resources have been divided amongst one percent of the world’s population. These people hoard more than 50 percent of the world’s wealth. Because of this massive inequality, the one percent are able to control the means of production, value, and distribution of goods.  If the top 5 wealthiest business people gave only 10 percent of their net worth to ending world hunger, or only 3 percent to provide clean water everywhere on the planet, then these issues would be more than eradicated.

However, there is no profit for them in doing this. Therefore, they don’t fix these issues, and never will. Millions more will die because the wealthiest people on our planet do not care about humanity. The wealthiest people on our planet care only about amassing more power, no matter the human cost. Wealth in the capitalist system means power. 

Proponents of capitalism argue that the ideology’s alternative, communism, killed  approximately 100 million people between 1917 and 1997. However, the states who committed these horrendous murders weren’t actually practicing communism.

Following General Secretary Josef Stalin’s rise to power in the Soviet Union, the ideology of Stalinism took the East by storm.  States like Vietnam, China, and Cuba took hold of this new ideology, which dictates that the path to communism is through a massive bureaucratic state that controls and plans the means of production. Stalinism is not communism.

Karl Marx, the father of modern communist theory and co-author of “The Communist Manifesto” defined a true communist society as one where there is a total absence of government, social class, and money. He went further to state that in a communist society, the means of production are controlled by those workers who operate them, not by a few private owners or a massive state. The only reason these states are labeled as communist is because their central governments are run by “communist” parties. The West took this label and morphed it with its propaganda into the buzzword it is today.

For the sake of argument, let’s assume that these totalitarian states were actually communist. Dividing the 100 million deaths that took place over 80 years into just one year results 1.25 million deaths. In one year, capitalism has killed 1020 percent more people than “communism” has.

The deaths due to capitalism each year fail to take into account work-related mortality, war casualties, suicides due to the pressure of the wage-labor system, and many more deaths that go ignored. The truth is, tallying the death toll of capitalism to prove how socially horrendous the system is would be like counting all of the atoms of every star in the Milky Way Galaxy. While it is theoretically possible to tally, it is totally unnecessary to develop an understanding of the massive scale that we are dealing with.

http://horizons-newspaper.com/index.php/2020/02/27/tallying-capitalisms-death-toll/

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8 minutes ago, KanyeWest said:

I'm sorry but it's not working, it's common sense, kids dying of hunger, famine still existing, and homelessness is not a good working system where everyone has the basic necessity of life. A home, access to water, access to health, access to education and equal opportunity. A good working system would mean every single individual in this world started out with the same opportunity, and the basic necessities to survive. 

 

3 minutes ago, homomo said:

Alright, long post, but please read it all before you decide to respond or not:

The World Health Organization estimates that 3.575 million people die from lack of clean water, and that 1.5 million people die from vaccinable diseases every year. Mercy Corps estimates that nine million people die from hunger every year. By summing these deaths, it can be concluded that capitalism kills approximately 14 million people per year.

Why is capitalism the culprit here? All of humanity’s resources have been divided amongst one percent of the world’s population. These people hoard more than 50 percent of the world’s wealth. Because of this massive inequality, the one percent are able to control the means of production, value, and distribution of goods.  If the top 5 wealthiest business people gave only 10 percent of their net worth to ending world hunger, or only 3 percent to provide clean water everywhere on the planet, then these issues would be more than eradicated.

However, there is no profit for them in doing this. Therefore, they don’t fix these issues, and never will. Millions more will die because the wealthiest people on our planet do not care about humanity. The wealthiest people on our planet care only about amassing more power, no matter the human cost. Wealth in the capitalist system means power. 

Proponents of capitalism argue that the ideology’s alternative, communism, killed  approximately 100 million people between 1917 and 1997. However, the states who committed these horrendous murders weren’t actually practicing communism.

Following General Secretary Josef Stalin’s rise to power in the Soviet Union, the ideology of Stalinism took the East by storm.  States like Vietnam, China, and Cuba took hold of this new ideology, which dictates that the path to communism is through a massive bureaucratic state that controls and plans the means of production. Stalinism is not communism.

Karl Marx, the father of modern communist theory and co-author of “The Communist Manifesto” defined a true communist society as one where there is a total absence of government, social class, and money. He went further to state that in a communist society, the means of production are controlled by those workers who operate them, not by a few private owners or a massive state. The only reason these states are labeled as communist is because their central governments are run by “communist” parties. The West took this label and morphed it with its propaganda into the buzzword it is today.

For the sake of argument, let’s assume that these totalitarian states were actually communist. Dividing the 100 million deaths that took place over 80 years into just one year results 1.25 million deaths. In one year, capitalism has killed 1020 percent more people than “communism” has.

The deaths due to capitalism each year fail to take into account work-related mortality, war casualties, suicides due to the pressure of the wage-labor system, and many more deaths that go ignored. The truth is, tallying the death toll of capitalism to prove how socially horrendous the system is would be like counting all of the atoms of every star in the Milky Way Galaxy. While it is theoretically possible to tally, it is totally unnecessary to develop an understanding of the massive scale that we are dealing with.

http://horizons-newspaper.com/index.php/2020/02/27/tallying-capitalisms-death-toll/

I understand what both of you are saying. I understand what is wrong with this system but when I say it is “working” I am looking at MUCH bigger picture. Classless system where everyone is getting same opportunities, without money, without people having to work for money or anything in their life, without ambition to earn more, where people don’t exchange stuff for money just wouldn’t work. Classless system means the system without money. That would never work. I am in no way saying this system is perfect or even good BUT it is working and is good enough for society’s to actually function somehow. Imagine the world where people had everything they needed. It sounds AMAZING but it kills ambitions and soon enough people wouldn’t want to do jobs that we need to survive because there’s nothing they get out of it. I can’t say this enough - classless utopia wouldn’t work at all. That system would be doomed. 

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1 minute ago, Regina George said:

 

I understand what both of you are saying. I understand what is wrong with this system but when I say it is “working” I am looking at MUCH bigger picture. Classless system where everyone is getting same opportunities, without money, without people having to work for money or anything in their life, without ambition to earn more, where people don’t exchange stuff for money just wouldn’t work. Classless system means the system without money. That would never work. I am in no way saying this system is perfect or even good BUT it is working and is good enough for society’s to actually function somehow. Imagine the world where people had everything they needed. It sounds AMAZING but it kills ambitions and soon enough people wouldn’t want to do jobs that we need to survive because there’s nothing they get out of it. I can’t say this enough - classless utopia wouldn’t work at all. That system would be doomed. 

I understand but it can still work if poverty doesn't exist but wealth still exists for example. With capitalism it's mandatory that wealth exists and then there's middle class, poor/middle class, but in my opinion there should never be poverty, you shoudl always be able to have the basic necessity, and then everything would still function in terms of economy, motivation to work, to create jobs, ideas, innovate etc 

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2 minutes ago, KanyeWest said:

I understand but it can still work if poverty doesn't exist but wealth still exists for example. With capitalism it's mandatory that wealth exists and then there's middle class, poor/middle class, but in my opinion there should never be poverty, you shoudl always be able to have the basic necessity, and then everything would still function in terms of economy, motivation to work, to create jobs, ideas, innovate etc 

With that I agree 100% but even then there would be classes and there would technically still be poor/middle/rich. And there would still be people who are crazy rich. I do agree that everyone needs to have basic necessities from the start of their life. 

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2 minutes ago, Regina George said:

 

I understand what both of you are saying. I understand what is wrong with this system but when I say it is “working” I am looking at MUCH bigger picture. Classless system where everyone is getting same opportunities, without money, without people having to work for money or anything in their life, without ambition to earn more, where people don’t exchange stuff for money just wouldn’t work. Classless system means the system without money. That would never work. I am in no way saying this system is perfect or even good BUT it is working and is good enough for society’s to actually function somehow. Imagine the world where people had everything they needed. It sounds AMAZING but it kills ambitions and soon enough people wouldn’t want to do jobs that we need to survive because there’s nothing they get out of it. I can’t say this enough - classless utopia wouldn’t work at all. That system would be doomed. 

You are assuming that because most people hate working under capitalism, that they would also hate working under socialism/communism. That isn’t true at all. The majority of people list financial problems as their biggest stress/struggle. This comes down to bills (health, education, utilities, high rent, food, etc)

Money doesn’t have to be eradicated. High earners only have to be taxed significantly more. Let’s cut the ultra rich out of society completely.

Things such as the 40 hour work week could be eliminated, giving people more time to progress on personal interests. Heathcare, education, housing, food and water security wouldn’t be an issue either. Everything would be socialized to benefit the people. Such things would be deemed as basic human rights and price caps would be placed.

Infrastructure would be highly developed because of extra funds, leading to incomparable transportation systems and recreational centers. This will also cut down on people needed to require vehicles in urban settings, thus reducing traffic significantly.

We shouldn’t forget that communism has to = a totally monetary and classless-free society. It just has to make sure a certain standard of living is met for all people and that most or all income over a very high amount is heavily or fully taxed.

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1 hour ago, PxA limited said:

Honestly, congratulations, but also a shame. I would be ashamed of myself having a billion dollars and people having $100 in their pockets to survive the rest of the month.

You would talk different when you actually have a billion dollar.

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