CyanDante 6,082 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, FentyGa said: religion is not a culture lol religion is a choice 43 minutes ago, dzox said: Well judging from the response of this thread seems like people are right that LMs are filled with racist white gays That's what. Most people are here talking about cultures. Comparing it to eating food lmao. Lord Ganesha is a god who is worshipped by people all over India. Wearing that as an beauty piece or an accessory is kind of a sign of disrespect rather than cultural appropriation. So people have a right to be mad about it. On the other hand, I am pretty sure and hoping Rihanna had no intention of hurting anyone's sentiments over it as well. It was just an ignorant mishap. I'm not very good with Social Mediaᵀᴹ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchwineLove 1,374 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I think this is a valid concern. Wearing a deity visuals accessories while being topless is a disrespectful attitude i think, i dunno why you all seems to let it pass the rationale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,775 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Isn't it some good context that India has a wildly popular Prime Minister that is classified populist radical right and xenophobic who uses Hindu nationalism to discriminate against muslims? The risk of the "feelings are always 100% legitimate" strategy is that, well, feelings aren't always 100% legitimate. If someone from India decides to wear the American flag as an accessory and Trumpists decide that that's culturally insensitive, should we cancel the someone from India and ask that person to apologize or should we say that the Trumpists are being unreasonable and there's nothing wrong with wearing the American flag as an accessory, that in fact it's a compliment because apparently the American flag is seen as having aesthetic value? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers 29,584 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Quartz said: Again, are you Hindu? It doesn't matter if I am or am not because *nothing* gives anyone the right to decide for others how any of the world's major religions are used. Hinduism does not belong to Hindus. Christianity does not belong to Christians. Islam does not belong to Muslims. Religion represents a massive part of human history, human culture and art history. Nobody owns it. Remember to like and subscribe, and click on the bell icon to get the latest updates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchwineLove 1,374 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Luc said: Isn't it some good context that India has a wildly popular Prime Minister that is classified populist radical right and xenophobic who uses Hindu nationalism to discriminate against muslims? The risk of the "feelings are always 100% legitimate" strategy is that, well, feelings aren't always 100% legitimate. If someone from India decides to wear the American flag as an accessory and Trumpists decide that that's culturally insensitive, should we cancel the someone from India and ask that person to apologize or should we say that the Trumpists are being unreasonable and there's nothing wrong with wearing the American flag as an accessory, that in fact it's a compliment because apparently the American flag is seen as having aesthetic value? this is a case of thinking far and fancy branches but with wrong root. the way you diminish it as solely culture and not including religion. I cannot believe you compare deity Ganesh to american flag, this is peak cultural-religion ignorance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz 12,535 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bonkers said: It doesn't matter if I am or am not because *nothing* gives anyone the right to decide for others how any of the world's major religions are used. Hinduism does not belong to Hindus. Christianity does not belong to Christians. Islam does not belong to Muslims. Religion represents a massive part of human history, human culture and art history. Nobody owns it. Interesting. Nobody's deciding if Rihanna should get into Hinduism at all. She can wear the appropriate clothes, in the appropriate setting, knowing the appropriate traditions and history at play with icons. Oh, she didn't do that did she? Can you see my point? It's not about gatekeeping and 'owning' a culture. It's about identifying with / exploring a culture in a respectful manner versus appropriating it. And, of course, a non-Hindu person telling a Hindu person how to feel is just amazing. I'd rather talk to Hindus and know how they feel as they're IN the culture itself--they have a personal experience with what's being talked about. They based their whole lives around these things and their feelings, cultures, and personalities are intimately entwined with these stuff. They have the credibility to talk to me about what's appropriate or not. So, I apologize if it comes off dismissive. It's just that I don't put as much value in your outside opinion compared to the opinion of a person that is affected directly AKA Hindu people. Cheers. Inside, we are really made the same. 🕊 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers 29,584 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, Quartz said: Interesting. Nobody's deciding if Rihanna should get into Hinduism at all. She can wear the appropriate clothes, in the appropriate setting, knowing the appropriate traditions and history at play with icons. Oh, she didn't do that did she? Can you see my point? It's not about gatekeeping and 'owning' a culture. It's about identifying with / exploring a culture in a respectful manner versus appropriating it. And, of course, a non-Hindu person telling a Hindu person how to feel is just amazing. I'd rather talk to Hindus and how they feel as they're IN the culture itself--they have a personal experience with what's being talked about. They based their whole lives around these things and their feelings, cultures, and personalities are intimately entwined with these stuff. They have the credibility to talk to me about what's appropriate or not. So, I apologize if it comes off dismissive. It's just that I don't put as much value in your outside opinion compared to the opinion of a person that is affected directly AKA Hindu people. Cheers. Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world. It's far too big and too old to generalize "how Hindus feel about it". It's silly because when you have a billion members of a religion that is 4000 years old - there is no such thing is "how hindus" feel. There is how you feel as a hindu, or how a group feels as hindus - in *this* moment in time. But the religion was not intended for you. Or a group. or a country. It was intended for humanity. The intention was to share and to spread widely. You're taking what I'm saying personally, but it's not personal. Nor am I talking about Hinduism or Hindus. What I've said applies to every major religion, exactly the same thing. They've all spread out across the world, to every country. They've all contributed in so many ways, and they all belong to all of us. If there's something about the religion in particular that's offensive because it's a key teaching in the religion - perhaps images of the prophet of Islam, or the word for god in Judaism, it's fine to speak up and educate people. But when it comes to art and jewelry and stuff like that, being OF the religion does not mean the history and culture belongs to follower of the religion, and I find it obnoxious when people feel like they have the right to condemn other people for having any interest or admiration - of any degree of seriousness - for art that was a gift to the world. Remember to like and subscribe, and click on the bell icon to get the latest updates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukiiGleek 189 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I mean you really don’t wanna be a celeb now when anything can offend everybody 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyster 2,458 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 eh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 1,038 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 eye roll. she can use whatever she wants Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babel 41,495 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Franch Toast said: Gaga herself is Catholic. But she was disrespectful towards catholic imagery, that’s my point. People in here are sympathetic towards Hindu for disrespecting their religion but turn a blind eye with catholic religion being put on blast everyday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombiecat 16,793 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 another case of being offended by someone/something that meant to offense how about let's be offended by things that are actually on the offense and deserve being in trouble about it? jfc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I'm sure Rihanna did not intend to offend anyone. Rather than hating on Rihanna, someone should explain to her that some people were offended and explain the reason why. Educating a person about a topic is the polite thing to do and is usually very appreciated. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma 7,182 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Babel said: But she was disrespectful towards catholic imagery, that’s my point. People in here are sympathetic towards Hindu for disrespecting their religion but turn a blind eye with catholic religion being put on blast everyday. Idk what you're implying but if you're saying they should both be respected... No. Both should be trashed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babel 41,495 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, Enigma said: Idk what you're implying but if you're saying they should both be respected... No. Both should be trashed We’re on the same page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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