Unreleased David Bowie song for LG7

[SevenWonder 4,318]

Pretty sure his son wouldn't have it. He ain't a Gags fan. 

[KindnessPunk 1,969]

I don’t think she’d wanna use someone else’s without their permission, since she’s very protective of her own unreleased work. I could see her sampling one of his songs like what she did with Fancy Pants.

[ShayCristoforo 10,607]

1 hour ago, Live To Tell said:

wait what???

After her Grammys tribute to Bowie... 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ew.com/article/2016/02/16/grammys-2016-david-bowie-son-lady-gaga/%3famp=true

[Gagas lil monster 2,432]

1 hour ago, gypsy101 said:

1 hour ago, gypsy101 said:

underaged girls can’t consent legally 

 

Okay but it's a dangerous path to blacklist every celebrity accused of doing something wrong or there wouldnt be any celebrities left. If there was enough evidence more of an investigation would have taken place 

[Celloo Deng 54,872]

Meh, I think if you're going to release music from the vaults of dead artists then it has to be the original demos only. It's not the same if it doesn't have their total input and vision. Like with MJ's Xscape album, I'll only listen to the demo versions in the second half. 

[LilyLark 10,095]

1 hour ago, Gagas lil monster said:

Okay but it's a dangerous path to blacklist every celebrity accused of doing something wrong or there wouldnt be any celebrities left. If there was enough evidence more of an investigation would have taken place 

One can separate the art from the artist. I enjoy Chinatown; I think Polanski is a monster. James Brown is a genius and one of my favorite musician; as a person he was awful and abused women.

Bowie is a genius. There is also a ton of smoke around him and highly inappropriate behavior with underage girls. A 14 year old girl is on the record as having a "relationship" (I use relationship in quotation marks, because he was an adult and she was a child) with him and he admitted it. Yes, it was "consensual" in a loose sense of the term but a 14 year old can not truly consent to an adult. There's a reason statutory rape laws exist. And while the 70s were different and sadly it was not uncommon for underage girls to been manipulated into relationships with older men, even back then 14 was considered very young and wrong. There also were some journalists, who frankly "may" have lied or been mistaken but really had no reason to do so, who have spoken out about the rumors. One said he was friends with two girls who were 15 when Bowie made a move on them. Lori is the only one who has spoken out with her name on the record and not as an anonymous source, but I honestly wouldn't be shocked if more came out in the future.

I'm honestly surprised more hasn't been made of it. I think what "protects" his legacy is that he's dead, his daughter with Iman is still fairly young, he's an icon that people love so people are hesitant to delve into it, and frankly the fact that he's white (I suspect if he was a POC journalists wouldn't dance around the subject as much).

[LilyLark 10,095]

2 hours ago, ShayCristoforo said:

After her Grammys tribute to Bowie... 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ew.com/article/2016/02/16/grammys-2016-david-bowie-son-lady-gaga/%3famp=true

I used to follow Duncan Jones on twitter as I was a fan of Moon and because he was Bowie's son. He absolutely had the right to dislike Gaga (even if I disagree) but he had a habit of sh*tting on like every mainstream artist (often women), video games, and films. You know the type...the "cooler than thou" ones....I still followed him for some reason though. Ironically, he signed on to do Warcraft and basically changed his whole twitter persona.

[LilyLark 10,095]

Nope. I love Bowie's work, but nope.

It's always a bit iffy using the work of people who have passed. Bowie's son disliked Gaga and Bowie himself, while he apparently later wrote a nice letter to Gaga, was a bit sniffy about her. Not to mention the inappropriate thing with Lori Maddox and the rumors of inappropriate behavior with other underage women. Gaga needs to stay away from those type of situations with a 10 foot pole, even if it's just rumors, for multiple reasons...one of them being the fact that people still link her to R. Kelly.

Also, even if everything was squeaky clean and perfect...covering an icon is always super risky. Like maybe the only person who is "safe" is Elton (not just because she's covered him in the past)...because they are known to be close friends.

[Gagas lil monster 2,432]

1 hour ago, LilyLark said:

One can separate the art from the artist. I enjoy Chinatown; I think Polanski is a monster. James Brown is a genius and one of my favorite musician; as a person he was awful and abused women.

Bowie is a genius. There is also a ton of smoke around him and highly inappropriate behavior with underage girls. A 14 year old girl is on the record as having a "relationship" (I use relationship in quotation marks, because he was an adult and she was a child) with him and he admitted it. Yes, it was "consensual" in a loose sense of the term but a 14 year old can not truly consent to an adult. There's a reason statutory rape laws exist. And while the 70s were different and sadly it was not uncommon for underage girls to been manipulated into relationships with older men, even back then 14 was considered very young and wrong. There also were some journalists, who frankly "may" have lied or been mistaken but really had no reason to do so, who have spoken out about the rumors. One said he was friends with two girls who were 15 when Bowie made a move on them. Lori is the only one who has spoken out with her name on the record and not as an anonymous source, but I honestly wouldn't be shocked if more came out in the future.

I'm honestly surprised more hasn't been made of it. I think what "protects" his legacy is that he's dead, his daughter with Iman is still fairly young, he's an icon that people love so people are hesitant to delve into it, and frankly the fact that he's white (I suspect if he was a POC journalists wouldn't dance around the subject as much).

Yes however if there was circumstantial evidence he would be in prison regardless of who he is. We have to remember that it is a serious crime so if he did in fact do it he would be in prison. I'm sorry if I am annoying you but he's my idol and I need to stand up for him. Not trying to be disrespectful or anything 

[Guest]

I'd be here for it, too bad Duncan doesn't appreciate Gaga.

For the r*pe allegation, the girl was more than 15, he was in his early 20s, and in countries like UK, it is legal.

No magic happens between the last night of your 17th year and your 18th birthday, you can be 18 and not be mature enough to consent. 16/17 is not 8 or 12 or 14

[Lucas 26,776]

Nah, artists using demos from dead people to do a collab are like ew

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Lucas said:

Nah, artists using demos from dead people to do a collab are like ew

True, I can see her sampling few lyrics from a David Bowie song but not reuse a demo

[ItWasntLaauv 6,392]

Hmmmmmmmm nahhhh. It feels weird to go through a dead person’s unreleased demos and make a song featuring someone else on it.

[Defmix100 6,364]

3 hours ago, warholastar said:

I'd be here for it, too bad Duncan doesn't appreciate Gaga.

For the r*pe allegation, the girl was more than 15, he was in his early 20s, and in countries like UK, it is legal.

No magic happens between the last night of your 17th year and your 18th birthday, you can be 18 and not be mature enough to consent. 16/17 is not 8 or 12 or 14

It was in America so the UK laws don't matter for this instance, and there were mentions of 13 year olds too. If it's ever determined that these are false then good, I hated when I found out about this.

4 hours ago, Gagas lil monster said:

Yes however if there was circumstantial evidence he would be in prison regardless of who he is. We have to remember that it is a serious crime so if he did in fact do it he would be in prison. I'm sorry if I am annoying you but he's my idol and I need to stand up for him. Not trying to be disrespectful or anything 

R Kelly illegally married Aaliyah when she was 15 and didn't go to prison, he also got away with physical photo's and videos as evidence but wasn't convicted so no, evidence does not always equal prison. And I understand he is your idol, but surely you must then take this stance with every celebrity or allegation, Gaga has never provided evidence for her claims for example but I think it is fair to beleive her.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Defmix100 said:

It was in America so the UK laws don't matter for this instance, and there were mentions of 13 year olds too. If it's ever determined that these are false then good, I hated when I found out about this.

R Kelly illegally married Aaliyah when she was 15 and didn't go to prison, he also got away with physical photo's and videos as evidence but wasn't convicted so no, evidence does not always equal prison. And I understand he is your idol, but surely you must then take this stance with every celebrity or allegation, Gaga has never provided evidence for her claims for example but I think it is fair to beleive her.

 

12 hours ago, LilyLark said:

One can separate the art from the artist. I enjoy Chinatown; I think Polanski is a monster. James Brown is a genius and one of my favorite musician; as a person he was awful and abused women.

Bowie is a genius. There is also a ton of smoke around him and highly inappropriate behavior with underage girls. A 14 year old girl is on the record as having a "relationship" (I use relationship in quotation marks, because he was an adult and she was a child) with him and he admitted it. Yes, it was "consensual" in a loose sense of the term but a 14 year old can not truly consent to an adult. There's a reason statutory rape laws exist. And while the 70s were different and sadly it was not uncommon for underage girls to been manipulated into relationships with older men, even back then 14 was considered very young and wrong. There also were some journalists, who frankly "may" have lied or been mistaken but really had no reason to do so, who have spoken out about the rumors. One said he was friends with two girls who were 15 when Bowie made a move on them. Lori is the only one who has spoken out with her name on the record and not as an anonymous source, but I honestly wouldn't be shocked if more came out in the future.

I'm honestly surprised more hasn't been made of it. I think what "protects" his legacy is that he's dead, his daughter with Iman is still fairly young, he's an icon that people love so people are hesitant to delve into it, and frankly the fact that he's white (I suspect if he was a POC journalists wouldn't dance around the subject as much).

 

Things are much more complex than that. I don't want to sound like devil's advocate or deny the abuse of power that many powerful men demonstrate. I am glad that the finger is being pointed out today and cases of sexual violence, abuse and r*pe are brought to light. Fortunately, we live in a time we are more and more educated on the subject. The question is, do we judge the legality, the morality of the facts or the ability of a person under 18 to consent.

 

Regarding legality, the age of 18 is an arbitrary age which has been chosen by the legislative power to protect as many people as possible without giving the judge the power to arbitrate or to question their story if the qualify the act as ab*se, this does not mean that a person under 18 does not have the moral ability to consent but rather that if a person under the age of 18 files a complaint against someone with whom they would have had a sexual act at that age, the court will automatically consider it to be r*pe.

 

Disclaimer : I do not say that a 5 years old is able to consent, I say the more a teenager is close to their majority, the more they’re aware of what they’re doing. You can still be more than 18 and not able to give consent, it depends on each person’s maturity.

 

Also, you are talking about adults and teenagers as if these were the only 2 age categories which makes things more dramatic. In fact, you go from babies to children to teenagers to adults to seniors.

 

In some countries, teenagers can consent since the age of 13 (France), 14, 15 (most countries) or 16 (UK, Switzerland), would it have been moral for him to have sex with her at 15 in France and magically not at 15 in the US? Would it be called r*pe or p***philia to have sex with a 17 years old in the US and magically not on their 18th birthday? And since you consider that an underage can't consent before they’re 18, can we call it r*pe if a 17 has sex with a 12 years old? In some other countries, child and teenage marriage is legally accepted and socially tolerated, does that make it moral? I don't think so.

 

David Bowie must have been around 25 at the time, can you put him in the same basket as a 50 year old who would sleep with a 10 or 11 year old? The girl with whom had a s*xual act, who is still alive by the way, continues to say that she was consenting. By what right are we going to dispossess this woman of her own story, and lay down a definition that is diametrically opposed to her own?

 

If this woman had said that she had been r*ped, I would be the last to defend the artist, or to question the victim's word. But here we are faced with an adult woman who, 30 years later, still speaks of this moment as a good memory. This has nothing to do with what could do some male celebrities who set a whole wonderland to ab*se children, or what could’ve done some other artists as R Kelly.

 

To speak now as a fan, I am proud I have seen, even years later, the evolution that this artist had, from this period of debauchery until he found his stability with Iman, while continuing to perform his genius art, and I find it shameful to give him this label, while he is dead, or even in his lifetime considering the story of that woman. Regarding the other girl, I never heard of it, and I don't take the ''you've heard the rumors'' or ''media's just appreciate him and bc he's white and and and'', medias are money makers, they do not appreciate anyone, and of course the rumors would have been turned into facts if he was black, our societies are racist...  all I know is that no one spoke about an act that would have been done in violence, in ab*se or that would have left psychological damage. This man has done his best throughout his life and career to find love and stability and I hope he rests in peace today.

 

I have no doubt that the way you handle information comes from a noble intention to create a safe world for all, but please don't mix it up, every situation is unique, you can qualify this act as immoral if you want, I can not take it away from you, but I will always see a man who managed to find his best version, before he was buried, and it is in his footsteps that Gaga walks. She is improving day after day, she has already been foun in immoral controvereses in her early years of celebrity, when we hear about what happened with her former assistant or when we see photos of her with men in black faces, however it was a party celebrating kinks, whatever it symbolized for those men she’s been photographed with, to some people it was offensive, and I know she would take that into account today. I sincerly believe there was no bad intention from that young man, and that it wouldn’t have happened if he lived today as a 20 something year old man because it is considered immoral in today’s society, where you live mainly.