Let’s talk about beauty brands that aren’t making much sense....

[Blastertoyo 22,734]

2 minutes ago, Enigma said:

If your standards for angriness for black women are that suspiciously low, it may or may not be problematic.

You literally bringing up race and gender in a place where it wasn’t even mentioned does much more harm for people who actually experience these injustices so if your standards for that are so low you trigger yourself then that is absolutely problematic 

make it make sense 

how can you be calling out racism and stereotypes but then play devil’s advocate like “well this May or may not be problematic” 

[dynamite 60,596]

15 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Seeing any black women who expresses strong-ish emotions as angry is a very widespread bias, and we're not asking you the moon when we ask you to be mindful about that.

And what if you have the same response to a person of literally any demographic and you don't go around calling black women angry as a matter of habit? Would you still say the bias is there? Because I don't recall ever having done so before, not that I keep a chart or anything. Part of it is that I don't care about makeup so I went from agreeing with her to "damn ok". And when I say angry in this case yes it's synonymous with passionate. There's genuine anger (rage) and then just angry aka generally OTT about something, for me at least. I wouldn't like to be seen as someone who takes issue with someone specifically because of their skin colour.

She also happens to be a YouTuber, however, which is a different story. I don't mind talking **** about them. They are dramatic, passionate, attention-seeking and angry by nature, just about all of them. I stopped watching them altogether. This one just happens to be a black woman this time and that's where that factor begins and ends.

[Enigma 7,182]

Just now, Blastertoyo said:

You literally bringing up race and gender in a place where it wasn’t even mentioned does much more harm for people who actually experience these injustices so if your standards for that are so low you trigger yourself then that is absolutely problematic 

make it make sense 

how can you be calling out racism and stereotypes but then play devil’s advocate like “well this May or may not be problematic” 

Your logic is about as good as saying "I can call you racial slurs but if I don't explicitly mention that I'm racist then you'd be the problem for bringing up racism". It sucks ass.

In 2020 aren't we over the "triggered" rhetoric (which is ironically offensive in itself since triggers are serious things people with mental illnesses experience, not a word you can throw around when your words offend someone)?

To answer your last question, I explictly said I was not calling out, but rather asking to be mindful. Maybe reflect on the reasons why being told to be careful gets you so heated and makes you wanna defend yourself so hard?

[dynamite 60,596]

2 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Maybe reflect on the reasons why being told to be careful gets you so heated and makes you wanna defend yourself so hard?

Probably related to the whole shitshow of the last few months and now everyone is walking on eggshells when it's not necessary. If someone was actually racist I'm sure the last place they'd express it would be on GGD, given how the SJWs and social gatekeepers create issues out of thin air.

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[Enigma 7,182]

3 minutes ago, dynamite said:

And what if you have the same response to a person of literally any demographic and you don't go around calling black women angry as a matter of habit? Would you still say the bias is there? Because I don't recall ever having done so before, not that I keep a chart or anything. Part of it is that I don't care about makeup so I went from agreeing with her to "damn ok". And when I say angry in this case yes it's synonymous with passionate. There's genuine anger (rage) and then just angry aka generally OTT about something, for me at least. I wouldn't like to be seen as someone who takes issue with someone specifically because of their skin colour.

She also happens to be a YouTuber, however, which is a different story. I don't mind talking **** about them. They are dramatic, passionate, attention-seeking and angry by nature, just about all of them. I stopped watching them altogether. This one just happens to be a black woman this time and that's where that factor begins and ends.

Then it's not your bias speaking and you can just say that without getting defensive and without criticizing people who are mindful of biases. 

None of this is against you, it's not calling out, it's not accusations, it's us expressing concern about the reasons why you'd call her angry. You're the best person to know if they were ill intentioned or not and we don't need a defense, just for you to think a bit about it and do as you wish from then on.

This type of exchanges shouldn't even be nearly as divisive. 

[Blastertoyo 22,734]

3 minutes ago, dynamite said:

She also happens to be a YouTuber, however, which is a different story. I don't mind talking **** about them. They are dramatic, passionate, attention-seeking and angry by nature, just about all of them. I stopped watching them altogether. This one just happens to be a black woman this time and that's where that factor begins and ends.

Exactly 

when ppl 💩 on Ajyall or whatever for her opinion it’s not that she is black or a woman, it’s that she is a YouTuber 

this spirit is very much engrained in youtube culture, which in itself has a whole assortment of stereotypes associated with it 

This girl is putting her opinion out there after having rewatched and edited this knowing it makes her look the way it does.

the fact that people now are looking at this YouTuber ranting (as one does) and bringing up or even associating it with ABW is even more problematic 

[dynamite 60,596]

4 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Then it's not your bias speaking and you can just say that without getting defensive and without criticizing people who are mindful of biases. 

None of this is against you, it's not calling out, it's not accusations, it's us expressing concern about the reasons why you'd call her angry. You're the best person to know if they were ill intentioned or not and we don't need a defense, just for you to think a bit about it and do as you wish from then on.

This type of exchanges shouldn't even be nearly as divisive. 

I think it's because of recent events that makes people so defensive 

That's why I commented it so freely, because it wasn't in mind when I said it because I know that I would say it about anyone, and then when I saw those replies it surprised (and annoyed) me that it was made to be a racial issue.

[Delulu Rogers 7,449]

I agree with a lot of her points. You don’t have to try the makeup yourself to say that the colours are basic and the packaging and products aren’t innovative and missing a wow factor. Idk the tea about the company that outsold them but if she’s right, then that is concerning for haus labs. Also, what is the direction haus labs is going in? 

[Blastertoyo 22,734]

8 minutes ago, Enigma said:

To answer your last question, I explictly said I was not calling out, but rather asking to be mindful. Maybe reflect on the reasons why being told to be careful gets you so heated and makes you wanna defend yourself so hard?

If no one said anything about something why would you bring it up? It’s not productive to think everyone is problematic “just in case” 

@kukuryku666You wouldn’t show up at a party with your +1 person of colour and be like “I’m bringing a POC friend in guys don’t be racist”

that insinuates that everyone in the room is racist completely unprovoked 

[Enigma 7,182]

1 minute ago, dynamite said:

Probably related to the whole shitshow of the last few months and now everyone is walking on eggshells when it's not necessary. If someone was actually racist I'm sure the last place they'd express it would be on GGD, given how the SJWs create issues out of thin air.

That's the thing tho. People fail to realize racism goes deeper than Confederate flag-flying rednecks. We're born in a racist society, so we're pretty much all born with implicit bias. It's not something to be ashamed of, but it's definitely something to work on. When people highlight it, they're not trying to frame you as a mean racist, but rather trying to alert you that this may be your bias speaking. If it wasn't, then great! Everyone is happy and moves on! And if you realize it was your bias, then great! You'll know better next time.

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14 minutes ago, Enigma said:

If your standards for angriness for black women are that suspiciously low, it may or may not be problematic.

You're delusional.

 

No one called any of you full-blown racists. We highlighted (which is very different from calling out) a behaviour that may or may not be problematic and asked you to exhibit good faith and check yourselves and your potential biases. Being asked to be mindful about racial stereotypes is NOT an insult and it does become problematic when you take it so personnal and vehemently shut down the conversation.

But i never said i that i saw her reaction as angryness so i dont understand were that was coming from

[Mise en Scene 1,040]

53 minutes ago, ilovecheckers said:

Not y’all tryna paint a black woman as “angry”  

 

Anyway, no lies were told.

It’s not even about her skin she literally came across angry and jealous in the video....

[Enigma 7,182]

Just now, Blastertoyo said:

If no one said anything about something why would you bring it up? It’s not productive to think everyone is problematic “just in case” 

You wouldn’t show up at a party with your +1 person of colour and be like “I’m bringing a POC friend in guys don’t be racist”

that insinuates that everyone in the room is racist completely unprovoked 

The point is in a racist society, everyone is born racist TO A DEGREE. Obviously you're not a KKK member or even a casual boomer racist. But you're born with biases just like everyone else and it's safe to assume everyone has work to do about that.

This is not some kind of cancel culture moment where I call you problematic and then say "gotcha". This is me telling you you might want to think about the implications of your words. If you realize you are indeed bias on that topic, then just move on and do better! If you are genuinely not biased, then great! There's a way you can say that without critizing us and getting defensive. There's no point in getting defensive when you're not even being accused.

[Enigma 7,182]

Just now, Mise en Scene said:

It’s not even about her skin she literally came across angry and jealous in the video....

To you. To me, she didn't even come of as CLOSE to being angry, so I was genuinely startled at seeing this comment thrown at her, and so were some other people. We reminded people of the stereotype of the angry black woman and asked people to think about wheter or not this implicit bias motivated their comment or not. Great if not. Still important to think about.