Let’s talk about beauty brands that aren’t making much sense....

[Enigma 7,182]

1 hour ago, Luk said:

i really wish i could understand the issue with calling a black woman angry, when she clearly was, at least, shady.
for me it's like telling you can't call chris brown violent.
or that you can't call me femme 

The issue is she wasn't angry (no one is ANGRY at a MAKEUP BRAND). Black women always get called angry for slightly raising their tone, and if they are indeed angry, people use that to discredit them.

She wasn't angry, and even if she was... then what? I could repeat what she said word for word in a monotone way and her points would still stand.

It's both an issue with enacting stereotypes/implicit bias and Gaga fans being defensive for no reason.

Some of y'all really need to take a class on oppression of some sort, because it is mind boggling that you don't understand how oppression goes deeper than calling someone slurs. And that you would compare calling a women abuser violent to calling a black makeup reviewer angry to discredit her.

[Leoooo 2,284]

13 hours ago, Enigma said:

Stop saying my opinion is wrong because it's negative, it's rude.+

You have all rights to think this is inspired. I think that's your bias speaking, because I can't fathom how someone would think this is inspired. I'm still open to your opinion as long as you don't come at me telling me I'm all sorts of things for disliking Haus Labs.

Obviously Youtube doesn't have full authority on makeup, but it is usually reflective of the general consensus. Products that get raved about are generally good, and products that are paid dust generally aren't worth the attention. And you're acting as if only big beauty gurus didn't mention it. Well, that's one fact : they don't. Haus Labs got the typical beauty review from all of them, which was lukewarm, besides from Nikkie because Gaga was literally in the room. And even smaller Youtubers are not crazy about it. And the makeup subreddits think it's meh. So really, you're the minority. You're entitled to your opinion but don't come screaming at me as if I were some kind of delusional hater when most of the beauty world thinks like me.

That rhetoric is very close to Trump supporters who seem to think everyone is against him for mysterious reasons, and that the problem is not on Trump's hands, but on everyone else's. If makeup experts, beauty gurus and beauty fans majoritarily say your brand is meh, chances are they're right. Of course it's subjective, but it still backs up my opinion and shows that I'm not alone, nor am I seeing things that are not there.

I honestly think you're blind if you don't see how a generic (it has no Gaga element besides shade names) brand owned by a mega corporation (that should be the giveaway : if it's owned by some bigger brand, then the bigger brand makes all decisions in the end, and it's all about profit) partnered with Amazon (once again putting emphasis on the profit aspect) and so heavily involving Sarah (it shows that she is as much and in my opinion more involved than Gaga) brand would not actually be Gaga's project 100%. At this point it's not a matter of opinions, it's about how capitalism and businesses work. This is not an independant brand, this is a branch of a corporation. 

Bottom line : praise Haus Labs all you want. But don't take it personal when we see it as a failure and don't sugarcoat things just because Gaga founded it. Do you understand the difference between arguing with my points and discrediting them? The latter is what you're doing and it's stupid.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, It's really not that deep, you clearly really dont like Haus Labs at all and thats totally fine.

But let's not liken me to a Trump supporter though hahaha, Jeeze.

Anyway, I dont think you're a bad fan purely for not likeing something she does, its the way your argument was presented, very very critical and savage when in truth, we dont actually know how involved Gaga is and either of us could be wrong, there is no actual proof that its just an intentional money grab or if she's actually really invested in it and you're just not impressed with the product, as I'm sure a lot of people are, yet many people also love it. I dont think the fact its partnered with a larger corporation says anything bad about it, it's a smart business move, and to do the work even with good intent, profit is important to keep going and make it worth the time for those working hard on it.

I'll support it, because I think she is doing it for the right reasons. A lot of young people in her fan base dont really experiment or use makeup and maybe find the whole thing intimidating, and this is her way of giving them a very accesable and easy to use product they could feel safe with, so I dont think the fact every beauty blogger isnt talking about it is a huge deal.

 

[Guest]

Tbh, I'm kinda over the HL hate. If you don't like that Gaga does it, then don't look. Everybody is entitled to there opinion and if she doesn't get she doesn't get it.

[Enigma 7,182]

51 minutes ago, Medusa said:

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, It's really not that deep, you clearly really dont like Haus Labs at all and thats totally fine.

But let's not liken me to a Trump supporter though hahaha, Jeeze.

Anyway, I dont think you're a bad fan purely for not likeing something she does, its the way your argument was presented, very very critical and savage when in truth, we dont actually know how involved Gaga is and either of us could be wrong, there is no actual proof that its just an intentional money grab or if she's actually really invested in it and you're just not impressed with the product, as I'm sure a lot of people are, yet many people also love it. I dont think the fact its partnered with a larger corporation says anything bad about it, it's a smart business move, and to do the work even with good intent, profit is important to keep going and make it worth the time for those working hard on it.

I'll support it, because I think she is doing it for the right reasons. A lot of young people in her fan base dont really experiment or use makeup and maybe find the whole thing intimidating, and this is her way of giving them a very accesable and easy to use product they could feel safe with, so I dont think the fact every beauty blogger isnt talking about it is a huge deal.

 

Then don't @ me calling me all sorts of things for disliking Haus Labs? Jeez.

There's nothing savage about being realistic. A business is meant to make money. The way you tell apart a cash grab from an inspired project is the dedication to it and the creative direction. It's easy to tell the difference between a commercial Chainsmokers song and Gaga's work. But it's also easy to tell that Haus Labs is as generic as it gets, so why even would she dream of having a makeup line if she's not gonna bring anything new to the table? She never mentioned wanting a makeup brand, in fact she left the perfume world because she hated being a selling point and had no interest, and now that she has a brand she brings no element of her personnality into it, doesn't that sound fishy to you? Not to add that she's known for being basically unable to say no to her friends, and to keep people in her team because they're her friends EVEN IF their work is questionable. Sarah being a makeup artist and calling Haus Labs the brand of her dreams, doesn't it sound likely to you that this would be HER project and that Gaga was simply helping her? It does end up being subjective but the OVERWHELMING reception of this brand is that it is boring and that is has meh quality for the price tag. 

A boring, meh quality with no clear creative direction brand, that is owned by Coty and partnered with Amazon does not sound like something Gaga would do. I think it's actually a bit reductive to genuinely think this is her best potential. We know what Gaga is capable of, and it's not even about he past or whatever. She just released Chromatica, her most visually interesting and cohesive album, and you want to tell me this is the same girl who came up with the creative direction of this brand whose barely more interesting than Maybelline? It does not add up. 

I'll say it again, kindness is easily and often used as a selling point, and it's good to be wary. Maybe there's some element of kindness somewhere, but profit is always, ALWAYS more important than that. Do I need to remind you that Amazon doesn't treat its workers right? Try telling me the brand who associates with them values kindness over profit once you know that. 

The one thing I'm criticizing is this kind of magic aura you put around Haus Labs. It's a makeup line. A product. Something meant to make money. Are you gonna tell me the Chromatica Oreos were made to bring happiness to the world lol? They're products. Not a part of her soul. We are customers, and we are the ones who express our feelings about it.

What kind of fight are you trying to fight here? Are beauty reviewers supposed to shut up now that Gaga is involved? 

[StrawberryBlond 14,888]

You could say the same for any new product on the market, though. Why does any new make up brand have to exist in this day and age? Aren't there already enough? We'd never buy anything new at all if we just relied on 3 big names for everything we wanted, so it's kinda a moot point. She does point out however that a big problem is that we can't try it for ourselves in stores, it's only available to buy online so you're buying it in blind faith which is a big ask, no matter who's fronting the line. That is definitely the biggest factor that's put me off buying anything from HL so far, bar a single lipstick (I'm asking for a collection set for Christmas but only as I can't think of anything else to ask for). I don't want to overly commit and spend on a brand that I can't try out. That's been a major misstep as far as I can see. And yeah, there has to be new products launched soon, particularly the long-awaited foundation. The clue's in the name - if you don't have a foundation, you can't go anywhere else and their decision not to add this to the collection after over a year post-launch is bizarre.

But I sincerely hope all of this isn't getting in the way of the rest of Gaga's career. I don't like to think that she's putting make up ahead of her music and even movies. Music and movies are her lane, Rihanna's already claimed the beauty game, there's no need to try to be #1 against that. Rihanna gave up music to make Fenty Beauty what it is now. I don't want Gaga to sacrifice music in an attempt to do the same thing. I'd rather HL went into liquidation and Gaga just became all about the music again as that's what I really want from her.

[Leoooo 2,284]

12 hours ago, Enigma said:

Then don't @ me calling me all sorts of things for disliking Haus Labs? Jeez.

There's nothing savage about being realistic. A business is meant to make money. The way you tell apart a cash grab from an inspired project is the dedication to it and the creative direction. It's easy to tell the difference between a commercial Chainsmokers song and Gaga's work. But it's also easy to tell that Haus Labs is as generic as it gets, so why even would she dream of having a makeup line if she's not gonna bring anything new to the table? She never mentioned wanting a makeup brand, in fact she left the perfume world because she hated being a selling point and had no interest, and now that she has a brand she brings no element of her personnality into it, doesn't that sound fishy to you? Not to add that she's known for being basically unable to say no to her friends, and to keep people in her team because they're her friends EVEN IF their work is questionable. Sarah being a makeup artist and calling Haus Labs the brand of her dreams, doesn't it sound likely to you that this would be HER project and that Gaga was simply helping her? It does end up being subjective but the OVERWHELMING reception of this brand is that it is boring and that is has meh quality for the price tag. 

A boring, meh quality with no clear creative direction brand, that is owned by Coty and partnered with Amazon does not sound like something Gaga would do. I think it's actually a bit reductive to genuinely think this is her best potential. We know what Gaga is capable of, and it's not even about he past or whatever. She just released Chromatica, her most visually interesting and cohesive album, and you want to tell me this is the same girl who came up with the creative direction of this brand whose barely more interesting than Maybelline? It does not add up. 

I'll say it again, kindness is easily and often used as a selling point, and it's good to be wary. Maybe there's some element of kindness somewhere, but profit is always, ALWAYS more important than that. Do I need to remind you that Amazon doesn't treat its workers right? Try telling me the brand who associates with them values kindness over profit once you know that. 

The one thing I'm criticizing is this kind of magic aura you put around Haus Labs. It's a makeup line. A product. Something meant to make money. Are you gonna tell me the Chromatica Oreos were made to bring happiness to the world lol? They're products. Not a part of her soul. We are customers, and we are the ones who express our feelings about it.

What kind of fight are you trying to fight here? Are beauty reviewers supposed to shut up now that Gaga is involved? 

Alright I’m genuinely not trying to have a fight at all. If what I’ve said in past comments has offended you, apologies.

I just think there’s 2 scenarios here, Gaga and Sarah are laughing all the way to the bank saying “let’s sell these clowns some sub par makeup and stick kindness on it as tbf I need some easy money and you like makeup” or they both came up with the concept out of a genuine intent to bring some good into a very toxic industry (let’s be honest) yeah it’s nothing groundbreaking but they’re still in the early days of the brand, the products are meant to be used for a variety of things that achieve results, and they do that well, many people honestly will testify to that, some people are unimpressed and know there’s clearly better products. There are clearly still those kids who love her who are still in school, maybe being bullied and insecure and are afraid to put on makeup to stand out and the whole point is to make something they can feel brave wearing as it’s HER brand, someone they trust, as she knows how makeup made such a difference on her confidence and reinvention growing up.

if you believe they’re laughing all the way to the bank I’m just surprised you’re here tbh that’s all. You’re entitled to your opinion 100%! Not taking that away at ALL, I just think there is another side to see it and it doesn’t mean you’re some brainwashed Stan who just desperately wants to see the best in her, I saw her talk about it and believe her, I think I can tell when someone’s lying and she really seems passionate about it. I get it, but It isn’t completely ridiculous, regardless of how you see the quality, to believe this way made with genuine intention. Profit is ofcourse nessisary and important, but for her and the point of it, that very well might not have been the point. 
 

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lmao i love her

[mightyriverz 2,616]

4 hours ago, Enigma said:

(no one is ANGRY at a MAKEUP BRAND)

well you should tell that to beauty youtubers cause it seems quite different irl 

[mightyriverz 2,616]

anyways, i just think she was kinda unnecessary in this video, but she has done may others which are much better (specially about JS and buddies), I'm still her sub, life goes on 

[Naak Le Vaar 1,222]

This YouTuber has said Fame Monster is one of her favorite albums so she's not just a troll. If you guys even bother to check her out you'd realize this is how she is. She's direct and doesn't sugar coat things. She gives praises where praises are due and gives criticism if she thinks it's needed. 

People here who call her angry I'm genuinely flabbergasted. Either you guys really don't know how to read emotions or are butthurt and are calling her mad because you don't have a rebuttal.

Sure she was very critical, but isn't that a good thing? Poke around and see what Gaga can do to improve? She wasn't saying HL was irredeemable, she said it needed more work. People here will defend Gaga as if it's their job or something.

[GagaSine 7,464]

4 minutes ago, Naak Le Vaar said:

This YouTuber has said Fame Monster is one of her favorite albums so she's not just a troll. If you guys even bother to check her out you'd realize this is how she is. She's direct and doesn't sugar coat things. She gives praises where praises are due and gives criticism if she thinks it's needed. 

People here who call her angry I'm genuinely flabbergasted. Either you guys really don't know how to read emotions or are butthurt and are calling her mad because you don't have a rebuttal.

Sure she was very critical, but isn't that a good thing? Poke around and see what Gaga can do to improve? She wasn't saying HL was irredeemable, she said it needed more work. People here will defend Gaga as if it's their job or something.

Yes exactly I don’t find her angry at all, she is simply animated and high energy, as well as clearly having strong convictions. White gays stay racist & misogynistic. 

[FentyGa 14,340]

8 hours ago, Luk said:

i really wish i could understand the issue with calling a black woman angry, when she clearly was, at least, shady.
for me it's like telling you can't call chris brown violent.
or that you can't call me femme 

but you realise that ‘shady’ and ‘angry’ aren’t synonymous, right?

chris brown is factually violent. he has a history of abusing women, it’s not just a hyperbolic statement with little depth

[dynamite 59,863]

4 hours ago, GagaSine said:

Yes exactly I don’t find her angry at all, she is simply animated and high energy, as well as clearly having strong convictions. White gays stay racist & misogynistic. 

SJWs throwing around buzzwords like they did something  someone happening to be black and a woman doesn't automatically mean that any comment directed towards them is racist or misogynistic. It can be, of course, and then comments would be valid, but it isn't this time. You don't find her angry, that's fine, but the perception of her reaction is obviously subjective as shown here.

You shouldn't throw around false and serious accusations like it's nothing just because of a misunderstanding in the definition/interpretation of an emotion.

[dynamite 59,863]

4 hours ago, Naak Le Vaar said:

This YouTuber has said Fame Monster is one of her favorite albums so she's not just a troll. If you guys even bother to check her out you'd realize this is how she is. She's direct and doesn't sugar coat things. She gives praises where praises are due and gives criticism if she thinks it's needed. 

People here who call her angry I'm genuinely flabbergasted. Either you guys really don't know how to read emotions or are butthurt and are calling her mad because you don't have a rebuttal.

Sure she was very critical, but isn't that a good thing? Poke around and see what Gaga can do to improve? She wasn't saying HL was irredeemable, she said it needed more work. People here will defend Gaga as if it's their job or something.

I said she made points and didn't call her a troll, I just said why is she so angry about some makeup she didn't even buy ??? (substitute angry for heated, dramatic or over the top or whatever, I don't think she was genuinely 'angry' about it in the same sense a lot of you seem to be thinking I now realise... And after seeing the Chris Brown comment above Jesus I didn't mean it like that...)

I couldn't care less about Haus Labs lol can people stop assuming comments are influenced by her race or gender because I feel the same way about all YouTubers including white guys and JoJo Siwa

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not sure why anatasia is there