Ghislaine Maxwell is woken up in her cell every 15 mins by flashlight

[Defmix100 7,047]

4 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Didn't know that, disgusting if true

This may be one of the most blatant flaws of capitalism. People defending literal child sex traffickers for a good pay... 

I think it's for the sake of innocent until proven guilty which obviously is important, but defending someone guilty means having to try and destroy the image of the victim to the point where a jury finds it a lot more muddled and hard to trust them

[Esteban 2,300]

24 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Didn't know that, disgusting if true

This may be one of the most blatant flaws of capitalism. People defending literal child sex traffickers for a good pay... 

It explains the story with reliable sources and updates

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/11/the-facts-about-hillary-clinton-and-the-kathy-shelton-rape-case/

[President Biden 5,898]

2 hours ago, GagaSine said:

Imagine being this b*tch’s lawyer 

It’s called defense law. Many lawyers are deeply entreched in the field. I actually am interested in being one. The basic philosophy most hold is “I would rather see a guilty person walk free than an innocent one be killed”. It’s very challenging at times and yes, sometimes you represent monsters. But here in the US we believe everyone has the right to a lawyer and the right to a fair trial. The Epstein/Maxwell case is very complex and she needs a lawyer in order to the court to clearly understand what occurred / make a conclusion. Yes, I would agree she likely guilty and probably deserves a life sentence — as an outsider. But from a legal perspective, she deserves the same representation of anyone else and the lawyer is not remotely “at fault” for any horrors she committed. They are simply doing their job.

[President Biden 5,898]

1 hour ago, Enigma said:

Didn't know that, disgusting if true

This may be one of the most blatant flaws of capitalism. People defending literal child sex traffickers for a good pay... 

It has nothing to do with capitalism. The guarantee of a lawyer to defendants is a basic American DEMOCRATIC principle. 
 

I’m sure you are some European Monster though, one that would bend over backwards to authoritarian corruption if it meant making the world simpler  

[Enigma 7,182]

16 minutes ago, President Biden said:

It has nothing to do with capitalism. The guarantee of a lawyer to defendants is a basic American DEMOCRATIC principle. 
 

I’m sure you are some European Monster though, one that would bend over backwards to authoritarian corruption if it meant making the world simpler  

And I disagree with said principle

Everyone should be ALLOWED a lawyer, but guaranteed? Maxwell doesn't deserve one. Obviously in a capitalist society she'll get one because if one refuses for morals, the next one is gonna jump on the opportunity to make cash.

Do I have a solution? No. I'm just saying in my dream society someone who pleads / was proven guilty of such things would be sentenced right from the bat with no trial or anything of the sort. 

[Fish 6,259]

3 hours ago, Enigma said:

The fact she has lawyers...

Like, I know everyone gets lawyers but it just struck me that there are people out there who have to actively try and make this bitch's life better 

wow.... lthe ignorance and things we have to read.... not much better than a trump supporter 

[Fish 6,259]

2 minutes ago, Enigma said:

And I disagree with said principle

Everyone should be ALLOWED a lawyer, but guaranteed? Maxwell doesn't deserve one. Obviously in a capitalist society she'll get one because if one refuses for morals, the next one is gonna jump on the opportunity to make cash.

Do I have a solution? No. I'm just saying in my dream society someone who pleads / was proven guilty of such things would be sentenced right from the bat with no trial or anything of the sort. 

EWWW LOL are you a fan of hitler and staline? 

[Fish 6,259]

24 minutes ago, President Biden said:

It’s called defense law. Many lawyers are deeply entreched in the field. I actually am interested in being one. The basic philosophy most hold is “I would rather see a guilty person walk free than an innocent one be killed”. It’s very challenging at times and yes, sometimes you represent monsters. But here in the US we believe everyone has the right to a lawyer and the right to a fair trial. The Epstein/Maxwell case is very complex and she needs a lawyer in order to the court to clearly understand what occurred / make a conclusion. Yes, I would agree she likely guilty and probably deserves a life sentence — as an outsider. But from a legal perspective, she deserves the same representation of anyone else and the lawyer is not remotely “at fault” for any horrors she committed. They are simply doing their job.

thank you for being so patient. I am actually a lawyer and reading these posts makes me sad. 

[Enigma 7,182]

9 minutes ago, Fish said:

EWWW LOL are you a fan of hitler and staline? 

there is obviously a difference between not granting sex traffickers rights and letting a dictator decide who gets the chop 

[GagaSine 7,464]

33 minutes ago, President Biden said:

It’s called defense law. Many lawyers are deeply entreched in the field. I actually am interested in being one. The basic philosophy most hold is “I would rather see a guilty person walk free than an innocent one be killed”. It’s very challenging at times and yes, sometimes you represent monsters. But here in the US we believe everyone has the right to a lawyer and the right to a fair trial. The Epstein/Maxwell case is very complex and she needs a lawyer in order to the court to clearly understand what occurred / make a conclusion. Yes, I would agree she likely guilty and probably deserves a life sentence — as an outsider. But from a legal perspective, she deserves the same representation of anyone else and the lawyer is not remotely “at fault” for any horrors she committed. They are simply doing their job.

I am very aware of the concept, I just personally would find the job of defending her deeply unpleasant and unsavoury. I think Defense lawyers can do good but I also think it’s disgusting when the slimy ones slander victims to try to get their client off. Personally my ethical code wouldn’t allow me to do that.

[Fish 6,259]

4 minutes ago, Enigma said:

there is obviously a difference between not granting sex traffickers rights and letting a dictator decide who gets the chop 

there is actually no difference. How do you think under those regimes people were treated? 

Suspected criminals, political opponents and suspected sedicious persons....were thrown in jail with no rights, no trial, no procedural safeguards... 

 

what you're saying is plain IGNORANT and DANGEROUS. this is how a dictatorship and authoritarian regimes work. 

 

I would strongly advise you to spend several years in school or read a lot to get educated on those BASIC PRINCIPLES, such as the presumption of innocence, the right to a fair trial, and so on and so on, which are the CORNERSTONES of JUSTICE and DEMOCRACY, and are HUMAN RIGHTS entrenched in basic document such as THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

here is the link https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html

 

[Enigma 7,182]

17 minutes ago, Fish said:

there is actually no difference. How do you think under those regimes people were treated? 

Suspected criminals, political opponents and suspected sedicious persons....were thrown in jail with no rights, no trial, no procedural safeguards... 

 

what you're saying is plain IGNORANT and DANGEROUS. this is how a dictatorship and authoritarian regimes work. 

 

I would strongly advise you to spend several years in school or read a lot to get educated on those BASIC PRINCIPLES, such as the presumption of innocence, the right to a fair trial, and so on and so on, which are the CORNERSTONES of JUSTICE and DEMOCRACY, and are HUMAN RIGHTS entrenched in basic document such as THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

here is the link https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html

 

which is why I specified people who already had been found GUILTY and that this obviously would never work but, in an utopia, would be better than the loaded criminals being able to win court cases because they’re rich 

[BornAsUnic0rn 2,245]

6 hours ago, Defmix100 said:

didn't Hillary Clinton represent a child ra**st and tear the victim to shreds in court? It seems a lot of people in law leave morals at the door so long as the get paid

Well, everybody deserves the right to a lawyer. It is their right. Innocent or not. And it is the job of the lawyer to represent the client, innocent or not, not the victims.

They are doing their job, has nothing to do with morals. It’s sad but it is the truth.

[BornAsUnic0rn 2,245]

4 hours ago, President Biden said:

It has nothing to do with capitalism. The guarantee of a lawyer to defendants is a basic American DEMOCRATIC principle. 
 

I’m sure you are some European Monster though, one that would bend over backwards to authoritarian corruption if it meant making the world simpler  

Well, it’s basically a human right to get a fair trial, lawyer included. So them being European doesn’t have anything to do with it. But them being uneducated and unwilling to see the consequences of allowing certain people to be prosecuted without a fair trial and a defense has a lot to do with it. On society and the concept of Democracy.

[Lona Delery 7,227]

 

5 hours ago, Enigma said:

there is obviously a difference between not granting sex traffickers rights and letting a dictator decide who gets the chop 

and who are you to decide who gets representation and who doesnt?  some of yall are so ready to throw every democratic principle overboard to feel self-righteous and morally superior i swear to god