UK plans to ban fossil fuel vehicles by 2030

[Dominic 11,922]

53 minutes ago, Economy said:

Is it a ban on new sales or usage?

 

I think it's realistic if they are banning NEW sales and if they really commit to beefing up the infrastructure

 

But I think it's too early a date if it's a ban on using those cars cause it will force a lot of people to scrap perfectly good cars and people aren't exactly swimming in money to just throw away cars that still have use

Its a ban on new sales after a certain date. People can use a decent petrol car for a good 15/20 years so its never going to happen anytime soon and certainly not by 2030.

There's no real plausible option to beef up infrastructure either, not with the way houses are being built at present - they just cant accommodate in-home charging. Old build houses certainly cannot achieve this, especially im more populated areas. Even in rural areas it won't be financially beneficial to invest in mass charging stations because there's not enough run-through. Whether the national grid can sustain that is another question in itself. 

Unfortunately this seems more like a way to appease people rather than a solid plan of attack. 

[Dominic 11,922]

43 minutes ago, shoful said:

My question is... will they make these cars affordable. Tesla’s in the US are very expensive. Also I would like to see how they enforce this heavily. Do current gas cars just get impounded and sold for parts?

They are starting to level out in terms of upfront cost. VW, Vauxhall and Nissan all offer "affordable" cars. Tesla is a different ballgame really. It's also much cheaper to fuel an EV over time although maintenance may be more expensive due to parts being harder to come by. 

[Economy 52,845]

7 minutes ago, Dominic said:

Its a ban on new sales after a certain date. People can use a decent petrol car for a good 15/20 years so its never going to happen anytime soon and certainly not by 2030.

There's no real plausible option to beef up infrastructure either, not with the way houses are being built at present - they just cant accommodate in-home charging. Old build houses certainly cannot achieve this, especially im more populated areas. Even in rural areas it won't be financially beneficial to invest in mass charging stations because there's not enough run-through. Whether the national grid can sustain that is another question in itself. 

Unfortunately this seems more like a way to appease people rather than a solid plan of attack. 

Yeah even here in Canada I was thinking the same thing. In the suburbs a lot of ppl can charge from their garage

 

But in circles cores with lots of condos or even in subs for ppl who rent a portion of home (and don't have access to garage) it's not so convinient to charge

 

They better build a lot of stations

[gagzus 23,110]

Had we voted Green Party the last election we would’ve done this by 2025 apparently as that was one of their concerns but still progress. We should’ve stopped doing it the second we realised we could make electric vehicles tbh.

but also on a political side it’s probably because when Brexit happens it’ll be hard for us to get more fossil fuel and oil from abroad

[Economy 52,845]

Just now, Dominic said:

They are starting to level out in terms of upfront cost. VW, Vauxhall and Nissan all offer "affordable" cars. Tesla is a different ballgame really. It's also much cheaper to fuel an EV over time although maintenance may be more expensive due to parts being harder to come by. 

Anything rare won't be an issue for long as EVs become more common

 

But really they shouldn't cost more to maintain as they have a simpler design and much fewer moving parts that can break down

 

And many of the parts like tires and breaks are basically the same as a gas car anyway, those don't change

[Dominic 11,922]

4 minutes ago, Economy said:

Anything rare won't be an issue for long as EVs become more common

 

But really they shouldn't cost more to maintain as they have a simpler design and much fewer moving parts that can break down

 

And many of the parts like tires and breaks are basically the same as a gas car anyway, those don't change

I agree definitely, depending on the maintenance of course but overall you're right, EVs are certainly more cost effective. 

 

5 minutes ago, gagzus said:

Had we voted Green Party the last election we would’ve done this by 2025 apparently as that was one of their concerns but still progress. We should’ve stopped doing it the second we realised we could make electric vehicles tbh.

but also on a political side it’s probably because when Brexit happens it’ll be hard for us to get more fossil fuel and oil from abroad

Nah, they wouldn't have been able to implement it at all, they knew that. They aimed astronomically high to encourage voters.