"Lazy lyrics" on Chromatica

[vanna shintuyu 11,204]

3 hours ago, Vergil said:

I mean the whole album is lazy af

Thank you

[Doot 2]

21 minutes ago, ARTGOD said:

When she explained how horribly depressed she was and how her producers pretty much helped lift her up I instantly understood why the album is the way it is.

The uniquely creative, perfectionist and controlling Gaga that made her other albums just wasn’t here. She lets her producers basically carry the album because she’s just physically incapable to do so herself.

I would’ve loved an album that took her out of her comfort zone and truly exploited her creativity, but considering her state of mind I think an album like Chromatica that is a much more care free and collaborative effort basically meant to get her creative engines running again was the right move.

I think Chromatica is basically the best we could’ve gotten considering the situation.

I hope Chromatica helped her heal and rekindle her love for music, because I would love to see that experimental, groundbreaking and fearless side of Gaga again.

[WildSalome 999]

Uh oh the lyric police is here 

[HeavyMetalLover 16]

17 minutes ago, Dukttapetoo said:

Thank you

Yes, thank you for the toxic commentary. Bravo. 

[vanna shintuyu 11,204]

1 minute ago, HeavyMetalLover said:

Yes, thank you for the toxic commentary. Bravo. 

At least you're self-aware. It's amazing how stifling you guys are about differing opinions.

[HeavyMetalLover 16]

Just now, Dukttapetoo said:

At least you're self-aware. It's amazing how stifling you guys are about differing opinions.

We've heard it all before. Next.

[HeavyMetalLover 16]

1 hour ago, ARTGOD said:

I’ve been thinking about this lately and I think the problem is this:

For a songs’ lyrics to be good to me they have to be interesting in different levels.

1- The main topic of the song (Love, Friendship, Death, Partying). Choosing a topic that is not overdone makes it harder for you to make something cliche.

2- The perspective you bring about the topic (If the song is about love what do you have to say about it? Is it about heartbreak? Who was at fault? What was the relationship like?).

3- Do you have a unique metaphor or catchy concept to make your lyrics stand out from songs that tackle similar topics? (Diamond Heart to represent inner strength, Marrying the Night to represent accepting life’s hardships, getting a Manicure to represent getting over an ex).

4- The actual words you use to talk about the thing. The more poetic and beautiful your writing is the more it will stand out.

I think Gaga has always been great at writing lyrics that are great in most if not all these different levels. She usually gets s*** for writing about love and sex a lot, but people often overlook the actual unique perspective she brings, the original metaphors she makes, and the funny lyrics she creates.

Take a look at a song like G.U.Y.

It’s about sex, so in that regard there isn’t anything unique about it. The actual perspective she has about sex in the song though, is about power dynamics and gender roles, something much more interesting and unique. Then, not content with only that, she comes up with the G.U.Y. acronym that is instantly memorable. Then the actual lyrics of the song are full of funny and quotable lyrics like “please retweet”, “greetings himeros...” and “nein zedd”.

G.U.Y. is not a unique example, her discography is FULL with songs like this, with interesting concepts for unique perspectives and memorable quotables.

The problem with Chromatica’s lyrics is that they’re generally more generic and unoriginal in every level. Her songs used to tick at least 3/4 of these boxes, while in Chomatica that is not quite the case.

The songs are still about broad topics like they used to be, but she struggles to come up with a unique perspective, cool metaphor or memorable quotables more often than she used to.

Being Alice looking for wonderland, feeling like a plastic doll or using rain to represent hard times are metaphors, yes, but they are like the most obvious ones you could come up with.

In other songs she doesn’t even bother coming up with one, like with Stupid Love, Free Woman and Fun Tonight.

Her lyrics this time feel way too generic, because she’s talking about topics that have been done to death, she fails to come up with a unique perspective a lot of the time, she struggles to find unique metaphors, and then the actual words she uses are often obvious and cliché.

The saving grace with the album’s lyrics are the songs about mental health, which is actually a topic that hasn’t been overdone. With these songs she can get away with not coming up with cool wordplay because the actual topic is still novel.

I think the uniqueness of her lyrics has been declining since Joanne, but I thought that album still had enough interesting lyrics, and the simpler lyrics weren’t exactly a detractor because it was supposed to be a personal, stripped back album.

Chromatica is way more high concept than that, so it needed way more interesting lyrics, and for the most part it didn’t deliver.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

The fact that you think G.U.Y. has good lyrics just because she uses some jargon says it all. Those lyrics are objectively some of her most cringe-worthy and...not great.

Chromatica's lyrics, while "generic," and "cliché," in your perspective, are actually timeless and classic. They work. She's not trying to reinvent the wheel here.

I think it comes down to maturity and...dare I say, taste?

[DC 25,164]

1 hour ago, S0436 said:

“You love the paparazzi love the fame even though you know it causes me pain” 

It’s about how her lover loved all the fame that they had when they were out with Gaga and for her she felt trapped and tortured by it. This line isn’t lazy.

[steven 6,242]

Is Gaga even known for being a good songwriter? As long as I love her, her song's lyrics are sometimes cringe and kind of childish. 

[ARTGOD 3,266]

1 minute ago, HeavyMetalLover said:

The fact that you think G.U.Y. has good lyrics just because she uses some jargon says it all. Those lyrics are objectively some of her most cringe-worthy and...not great.

Chromatica's lyrics, while "generic," and "cliché," in your perspective, are actually timeless and classic. They work. She's not trying to reinvent the wheel here.

I think it comes down to maturity and...dare I say, taste?

You can’t say G.U.Y. has objectively bad lyrics and then say it has to do with taste . So if you dislike something it is objective and if I don’t then it’s because I have bad taste. Got it.

G.U.Y.’s lyrics are good because they are playful and tongue in cheek and they convey the fun and passion of sex perfectly.

Chromatica’s lyrics often do not work because she’s alluding to some deep feeling or concept and then she never goes past the surface. There’s a difference between a song about love that perfectly lets you know what the singer is feeling and a love song that goes through every cliche and doesn’t let you know anything about the artist past “they wrote a love song”.

 

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13 minutes ago, Steven said:

Is Gaga even known for being a good songwriter? As long as I love her, her song's lyrics are sometimes cringe and kind of childish. 

Never written a good song in her life. She needs to get real and find herself a good, steady 9 to 5 job. The music industry is not for her.

[WildSalome 999]

For me the songwriting always comes down to the context and relevance of the music she's creating. Chromatica has simple and straight forward lyricism because it's not meant to be avant-garde and groundbreaking. It never tried to be. I don't like the term "generic" or "cliche" but the album is literally meant to be accessible to everyone. That was always her goal. Arguably the last lyrically accessible album we got was "The Fame" when she made tongue in cheek pop music commenting on pop culture at the time. 

Born This Way and ARTPOP both explored an array of thematic lyrics and topics because those works were meant to be experimental and culturally challenging. Chromatica on the other hand is both a reflection of the past and vision of the future while aiming to be timeless. It never was meant to push the boundaries of her creativity, but rather display a tapestry of her life along with the sounds that carried her name for over a decade celebrating her career as a pop artist. 

It's a classic dance record that references house music. Music made for the club. It's actually a miracle that we were given an album like this considering the circumstances. 

[HeavyMetalLover 16]

10 minutes ago, ARTGOD said:

You can’t say G.U.Y. has objectively bad lyrics and then say it has to do with taste . So if you dislike something it is objective and if I don’t then it’s because I have bad taste. Got it.

G.U.Y.’s lyrics are good because they are playful and tongue in cheek and they convey the fun and passion of sex perfectly.

Chromatica’s lyrics often do not work because she’s alluding to some deep feeling or concept and then she never goes past the surface. There’s a difference between a song about love that perfectly lets you know what the singer is feeling and a love song that goes through every cliche and doesn’t let you know anything about the artist past “they wrote a love song”.

There's a difference between personal preference and objective analysis. I like that song, but I don't think those lyrics are objectively very good.

Well, that's one interpretation. I find Chromatica to be her most effective album since TFM. I think it cuts deep and tells and full story. A lot of this has to do with the audience, though. Maybe it's an album that will grow on you, or maybe not. I do think you're not giving it nearly enough credit, though, and are looking at it on a very surface-level way.

[HeavyMetalLover 16]

4 minutes ago, Khoaleesi said:

For me the songwriting always comes down to the context and relevance of the music she's creating. Chromatica has simple and straight forward lyricism because it's not meant to be avant-garde and groundbreaking. It never tried to be. I don't like the term "generic" or "cliche" but the album is literally meant to be accessible to everyone. That was always her goal. Arguably the last lyrically accessible album we got was "The Fame" when she made tongue in cheek pop music commenting on pop culture at the time. 

Born This Way and ARTPOP both explored an array of thematic lyrics and topics because those works were meant to be experimental and culturally challenging. Chromatica on the other hand is both a reflection of the past and vision of the future while aiming to be timeless. It never was meant to push the boundaries of her creativity, but rather display a tapestry of her life along with the sounds that carried her name for over a decade celebrating her career as a pop artist. 

It's a classic dance record that references house music. Music made for the club. It's actually a miracle that we were given an album like this considering the circumstances. 

Thank you for communicating this so well - I agree 100%.

[vanna shintuyu 11,204]

37 minutes ago, HeavyMetalLover said:

We've heard it all before. Next.

And yet here you are