Jaden Smith goes off on Shane Dawson after willow poster video goes viral

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1 minute ago, darkpaw said:

Not you forgiving all his sins after sitting on your high horse on the Ava Max thread. You fake woke people amaze me

Who says i forgive and im not fake woke and those jokes were disgusting 

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5 minutes ago, Suuus said:

I agree but i also feel like the shane cancel train needs to stop because its getting tiring at this point

I somewhat agree. Honestly, if it’s anyone’s time to be cancelled, it’s Jeffree’s. I’m so over him. Shane needs a slice of humble pie though

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5 minutes ago, Suuus said:

Who says i forgive and im not fake woke and those jokes were disgusting 

They were jokes and you spent quite some time scolding those users now you’re here telling people who are actually outraged by something outrageous to get over it. If you don’t wanna see people trying to cancel him then keep it moving. Not everyone wasted their time watching his apology video because after all the dumb sh*t he’s done people who were truly tired stopped watching. Period!

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3 minutes ago, Daylight Jokers said:

Oh please, stop gaslighting my comment. The point is, people shouldn't cry about knowing the context first when what is being showed to them is already obviously ****ed up. This is one of those things where context isn't needed. And what even is the context behind that joke anyway? How do you excuse that? I get that cancel culture is toxic af but hating on it so much that you have to defend a person with pedophilic tendencies is also wrong. And just cuz people tolerated this in 2011 doesn't mean it shouldn't be condemned in 2020.

Shane making a joke about pedohile doesnt mean he has pedohilic tendencies thats a bit to far oke

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6 minutes ago, darkpaw said:

They were jokes and you spent quite some time scolding those users now you’re here telling people who are actually outraged by something outrageous to get over it. If you don’t wanna see people trying to cancel him then keep it moving. Not everyone wasted their time watching his apology video because after all the dumb sh*t he’s done people who were truly tired stopped watching. Period!

So jokes about possible  sexual harrassement s are oke to you also i wasnt scolding i only made 2 or three comments  

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1 hour ago, xoxo Craig said:

This... I agree. But Shane made a video just yesterday addressing everything, taking accountability, and apologised. He literally said that the person back then does not reflect him now and he hates his former self. 

I just find it ridiculous that people are still trying to come for someone who has already acknowledged their past wrongs, and has changed. Its just ridiculous to dig for anything to try cancel people on stuff they have already addressed. 

It’s kinda difficult to believe when his bff is J*

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20 minutes ago, FentyGa said:

people are allowed to not accept an apology or not like him after this, that's the thing. he didn't do anything to offend me, so it's rly not my place to accept/not accept an. apology from him, but I'm choosing to not support him because I don't believe that he's changed. and that's my prerogative.
POC are allowed to be offended and not accept his apology. off they're allowed to accept it, and that's ok too. it's individual.

I get it, and he also made that point in his video too. But its never ending. People will always take what he done in the past and be like "omg shane dawson is disgusting". Its absolutely people's choice to accept or not accept an apology... but at this point we all know he made jokes that were homophobic, racist, paedophilia etc. It shouldn't be shocking at this point. 

He did address everything, so its not like we don't know he made those jokes or said those things to be shocking. 

I love his content. The way he does his documentary series (with Andrew) is pretty cool. I do believe he has changed and that the person he was 5+ years ago is not the same person today... obviously I can't say and its not my place to say that he has changed his views on POC, but I think actions speak louder than words and I'm pretty sure he's been vocal about BLM, and has said to include more black creators in his series. I also believe in 2nd chances in people, and a lot of the things being dragged up is things we already knew about and already talked about (as a society). 

To see a "new" thing being dragged up almost every other week is just a little ridiculous to me. Since he already has addressed it... like what more can he do? Its just a bit tiring... maybe I'm looking at this wrong, idk

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3 minutes ago, Suuus said:

So jokes about sexual harrassement s are oke to you also i wasnt scolding i only made 2 or three comments 

Ava Max said “They wanted to date me instead of work with me”. That’s not sexual harassment. You really were scolding them for way longer than necessary. At this point I’m not gonna keep responding to you because I already said my piece. You keep “Kindness Punking” and have a good day.

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has anybody showed the smiths his racist prince of bel air costume he made for a video

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Finally! I have HAD it with people being ok with this "dark / twisted" humor excuse. I am sorry but Shane is a disgusting mess even though he apologized. Apologizing does not remove the fact that he sexualized an 11 year old girl, the he sexualized infant violations and that he sexualized his OWN COUSIN in one of his old videos and got her to do some nasty stuff. This man is NOT OK and he needs to be seek professional help and get off youtube for at least a year straight and work on himself a lot more. an apology video does NOT cut it at this point. This is further from even just being a bad person...this has hit disturbing levels and this is coming from an ex fan of his. I used to watch his slime videos and product reviews or whatever. I knew he had controversial humor but I never knew he had pdfile type jokes and that is not ok with me AT ALL.

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1 hour ago, HEARTSTOP said:

I also think there are way more people saying "there's people that get offended by this" than there are people actually getting offended by it.

Something I wanna say in general about this... So, when I was Willow's age and younger, some grown men groomed and molested me, and also touched themselves around me, in some instances doing similar to what Shane's doing in that clip. Idk if 'offended' is the right word for what I'm feeling, but I'm gonna call his clip gross and stupid and piggish and crass and disrespectful of Willow. Obviously lots of people have been groomed and molested as a child like I had been, but not everyone is gonna say that's why they're offended, or even announce that they're offended in the first place -- they might not be comfortable talking about their abuse, or having people ask them questions like "well how does it affect you? why do you care so much?" We see sh*t like this and it can bother us but we don't always want to risk being put on the spot about our abuse by Shane's defenders and random nosy people. It's private and it hurts, so sometimes (really, a lot of times) we don't say much, if at all.

Also, Jaden and Jada are clearly upset... let them be upset. They and Willow have more of a right to be p*ssed off than anyone right now, and I think some of you need reminded that they're not obligated to accept an apology or forgive. (not 'you' as in the person I quoted, I mean others on this site)

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Was this now? 

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2 minutes ago, darkpaw said:

Ava Max said “They wanted to date me instead of work with me”. That’s not sexual harassment. You really were scolding them for way longer than necessary. At this point I’m not gonna keep responding to you because I already said my piece. You keep “Kindness Punking” and have a good day.

I wasnt scolding people the longer than necessary i just called 1 person out for a tastles joke you are mistaking me for someone else and i wasnt the only one so dont put all the blame on me

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2 minutes ago, viniferrett said:

Was this now? 

People are trying to cancel shane again

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9 minutes ago, Daylight Jokers said:

Oh please, stop gaslighting my comment. The point is, people shouldn't cry about knowing the context first when what is being showed to them is already obviously ****ed up. This is one of those things where context isn't needed. And what even is the context behind that joke anyway? How do you excuse that? I get that cancel culture is toxic af but hating on it so much that you have to defend a person with pedophilic tendencies is also wrong. And just cuz people tolerated this in 2011 doesn't mean it shouldn't be condemned in 2020.

You need to take a deep breath, I didn't gaslight anything. You compared this with a pregnant person being tased, and it isn't comparable. Violence is never ok, no matter the context. Comedy, on the other hand, requires context to be judged properly.

The context in this case was the society we lived in back then, where these kinds of jokes were accepted. Context also implies intent. His intent was obviously to make an outrageous joke, and not to actually sexually abuse a child. Making a joke about having cancer doesn't make me a cancer patient.

Of course, if we judge this joke by today's standards, it will obviously be unacceptable. But that wasn't the reality back then. That's just a fact.

I'm not defending anyone, much less anyone with pedophilic tendencies (as he doesn't seem to have them, we never know with anyone). I'm just presenting an argument as to why canceling him because of this does not make sense, and how it opens even more doors to cancel more and more undeserving people because of things they said in the past. 

Just because it is condemnable in 2020, it doesn't mean we should condemn what was said in 2011.

Saying something and actually meaning something are two very different things, and only one of those should follow you into your future.

We should focus on his present self, and if he is actually doing something helpful (or at least not harmful) with his life. If he had actually sexually assaulted a child (or intended to), then it would be a totally different case.