Ansel Elgort exposed

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

4 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He is that guy from The Fault In Our Stars, and Baby Driver. I think those are two movies most people know him from.

Never seen those movies

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2 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

Never seen those movies

 understood tbh

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32 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

She said that the PTSD was triggered because of the rape/assault. That is a direct cause-effect relationship. I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

And of course we need to look at both sides of the situation, but like I've said literally countless times in this thread already, I personally believe that we need to look at sexual assault cases as true, and then proceed to figure out if it's fake or not. 

And like I've said already sooooooo many times in this thread, 2-10% of reported sexual assaults are false. Can y'all please pick up on that stat? I'm not saying that it's impossible for her to be lying. I'm just saying that it's more likely than not that she's telling the truth. 

Think about the implications if this is true and y'all are just harping on her even more. People are already defending Ansel anyway, just look at this thread alone. 

I never said anything about her lying, or not believing her, or giving Ansel a free pass, or defending him... From what I gathered the fact that he said "we need to break you in" is by itself disgusting and vile and indefensible. I don't think she's making the story up. However I'm extremely opposed to going by "since she felt horrible and needed therapy, then he's a rapist." That is just not how things work! 

Assessing the situation by how someone felt not what someone actually did is just very very dangerous especially in the current political climate because this is exactly the type of rhetoric white people (women and cops in recent events) use to vilify black people. They are being killed because the police "feel" like they are criminals or about to do something to them. That female cop "felt" like the McDonalds worker put poison in her food and could have legally shot her as self defense. That woman in the park "felt" like the black man was threatening her and called the cops on him. People were defending her saying her feelings are valid - maybe they are but not to the extent of accusing the man of a crime. This is the same situation, you can't say he raped her because she "felt" assaulted or because she went to therapy afterwards... I don't know why I'm having to explain this. Rape is non-consensual sex. She agreed to it and when she did not want it to continue she did not say "stop." That doesn't diminish any of her trauma, women often feel powerless during sex especially that it was with someone she apparently admired, all her feelings are valid and I hope she heals from it, but that just doesn't make him a rapist... The reason she did not say stop is not because she felt physically threatened or like her life was in danger. So he just cannot be made out to be a criminal when she did not dissent, the reason she did not voice her dissent was not his own doing (like a threat or blackmail). Literally most of the people you're arguing with are saying the situation was disgusting and he acted like a pig/asshole, yet he didn't commit a crime. I don't understand what you are fixated with making him out to be a criminal. 

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Unless someone withdraws consent, it is not assault. Your partner cannot guess how you feel. Obviously, it would be considerate and kind to ask a virgin how they are feeling throughout the sexual encounter, but not doing so is not a criminal act. Also the bogus claims that @M Monstre makes saying that only rape/assault can cause PTSD/need for therapy is bogus. A fear of vomiting can induce PTSD/therapy. It can be triggered by smaller things, such as a bad sexual encounter that was legal. 

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On 6/19/2020 at 12:19 PM, M Monstre said:

She repeated the phrase "I was 17" because that means she was underage  The fact that some of y'all can't see that is disturbing. If she was 12, you'd would be like, "she keeps repeating the phrase 'I was 12,' so she's manipulating you guys!"

And I'm sorry, but if what she said is 100% true, then it's not "just a case of a bad sexual experience." If it's true, then she was raped. Plain and simple. Having first-time bad sex doesn't result in you getting PTSD and having to go to therapy.

This is why more people don't come forward. It's because of rhetoric like this. False reports of sexual assault range from 2-10%. It's more likely than not that she's telling the truth. 

She consented to the sex. It was painful but she never asked him to stop. All their conversations before this were about sex. She was 17 and he was 20. The way this OP worded it makes it sound like he was 26 back then. 

Even if this turns out to be true it's a statutory rape misdemeanor at most because age of consent in California is 18 and there age is so close. But if it was in NY and she is currently in NY it would be nothing because age of consent there is 17.

I'm sorry to ask this but is it rape if she doesn't say no?

 

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51 minutes ago, Maleficent said:

Unless someone withdraws consent, it is not assault. Your partner cannot guess how you feel. Obviously, it would be considerate and kind to ask a virgin how they are feeling throughout the sexual encounter, but not doing so is not a criminal act. Also the bogus claims that @M Monstre makes saying that only rape/assault can cause PTSD/need for therapy is bogus. A fear of vomiting can induce PTSD/therapy. It can be triggered by smaller things, such as a bad sexual encounter that was legal. 

When did I ever say that ONLY rape and sexual assault cause PTSD/the need for therapy? Please, direct me to that statement.

It’s pathetic that y’all are trying to put words in my mouth that I NEVER SAID. She HERSELF said that needed therapy and that she got PTSD because of the alleged rape. Please, if you’re going to want to have a discussion with me, correctly quote what I’m saying. This is so ****ing ridiculous. Y’all, please learn how to read

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17 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

Even if this turns out to be true it's a statutory rape misdemeanor at most because age of consent in California is 18 and there age is so close. But if it was in NY and she is currently in NY it would be nothing because age of consent there is 17.

I believe california, Texas, Portland, Washington and 20 other states have something called a Romeo and Juliette law—in which if parties are within 4 years of each other, it is not a misdemeanour 

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4 hours ago, M Monstre said:

A horrible first-time sexual experience doesn't result in you getting PTSD or having to go to therapy.

@M Monstre these are your own words 

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18 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

She consented to the sex. It was painful but she never asked him to stop. Is it rape if she doesn't ask for it to stop. All there conversations before this were about sex. She was 17 and he was 20. The way this OP worded it makes it sound like he was 26 back then. 

Even if this turns out to be true it's a statutory rape misdemeanor at most because age of consent in California is 18 and there age is so close. But if it was in NY and she is currently in NY it would be nothing because age of consent there is 17.

I'm sorry to ask this but is it rape if she doesn't say no?

From what Gaga has told us, it didn’t seem like she said “no” either. Of course  she hasn’t explicitly told us about her experience with sexual assault, but she’s talked multiple times about how these kinds of triggering events make you freeze and stop and fear for you life.

Like I said literally so many other times in this thread, yes, ideally she should’ve vocalized more and said “No” to Ansel, but you can’t blame her for not saying that. If what she said is true, then she was afraid to vocalize her feelings because of how aggressive Ansel seemed to be.

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2 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

Like I said literally so many other times in this thread, yes, ideally she should’ve vocalized more and said “No” to Ansel, but you can’t blame her for not saying that.

Then you can’t blame Ansel for not reading her mind either  she was a more-than-willing partner up until a point and they had spoken about sex multiple times before, he didn’t come out of left field and force her to have sex. He wasn’t a stranger 

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4 minutes ago, Maleficent said:

@M Monstre these are your own words 

And how is that relevant to what you said about me saying that only rape and assault cause PTSD?

What I said was that a bad first-time sex experience doesn’t result in getting PTSD and going to therapy. Literally everyone in the world has had a “bad first-time sex story”...that doesn’t directly result in PTSD and having to get therapy.

Obviously something traumatic happened to make her have that. That kind of trauma comes from something like sexual assault. 

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1 minute ago, M Monstre said:

From what Gaga has told us, it didn’t seem like she said “no” either. Of course  she hasn’t explicitly told us about her experience with sexual assault, but she’s talked multiple times about how these kinds of triggering events make you freeze and stop and fear for you life.

Like I said literally so many other times in this thread, yes, ideally she should’ve vocalized more and said “No” to Ansel, but you can’t blame her for not saying that. If what she said is true, then she was afraid to vocalize her feelings because of how aggressive Ansel seemed to be.

I can agree with that but with Gaga she didn't want to do it from the start. It was more like she was obligated because if her career. With what I read in her explanation is that she started crying during intercourse because of the pain. 

I could be misinterpreting it. I do understand your POV tho.

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1 minute ago, Maleficent said:

Then you can’t blame Ansel for not reading her mind either  she was a more-than-willing partner up until a point and they had spoken about sex multiple times before, he didn’t come out of left field and force her to have sex. He wasn’t a stranger 

And again, like I’ve also said before in this thread, that’s why I think it’s necessary to hear both more of her side and also Ansel’s side of the story.

That said, if y’all want to make sure Ansel’s feelings aren’t hurt, y’all need to be willing to make sure her feelings aren’t hurt as well. Cause obviously something did happen that resulted in her being scared and traumatized.

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2 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

And how is that relevant to what you said about me saying that only rape and assault cause PTSD?

 

2 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

That kind of trauma comes from something like sexual assault. 

Ur a jumble of contradictions

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Not commenting on the OP, but find it humorous how people who have met Ansel once or twice accuse him of being a jerk and the behavior described sounds no different than what many people have said their interactions with many of the "beloved" celebs on here that everyone kisses the ground they walk on.