Lady Gaga vs Taylor Swift... Who Will Have Bigger Legend Status?

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Taylor only has that “legend” status in America so there’s your answer.

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I have to laugh that people are saying Taylor is a bigger legend than Gaga. She's a better business woman, I'll give her that. She can't really serve a vocal, her dancing/performing is Dua Lipa before Future Nostalgia and her visuals are expensive and pretty but shallow without a big concept behind it. Taylor had one big album with 1989 and reputation did well thanks to that success. Taylor her peak doesn't come close to Gaga her The Fame/The Fame Monster/Born This Way peak at all. Gaga changed the whole game and Taylor just released a successful era. Maybe y'all weren't here when Gaga had her peak, but Taylor didn't come close to it. Plus once again, Taylor is very local while Gaga is a legend world wide. Gaga had impact on pop culture, Taylor had some impact on the music industry. Just like Katy if Taylor flops now she will be forgotten while Gaga her impact will be remembered.

I don't see why Taylor would come close to Gaga, Beyonce, god even Katy.

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2 hours ago, Economy said:

Rihanna was massive in terms of hits for so many years. But she is not talked about much when she doesn't release and doesn't have that kind of cultural impact. Given her major strength is just making catchy hits, especially if she doesn't release as much from now on, although she may always be remembered to some degree I don't think she will be considered as iconic as Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga

the lies tho. Rihanna is known for a lot more than just her hit singles. 

Btw she's already a iconic and doesn't have to prove a thing so as Lady Gaga so this question isn't even necessary.

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Everything stated below is opinion. Those of you who own pitchforks, put them away please.

This is not a contest. I mean that in two ways.

First, it literally isn't a contest. These women are not involved in a football match or a race.

Second, there is no comparison. Taylor Swift is hugely talented, hugely successful and a serious artist. Gaga operates on a higher level. She is a borderline, if not actual, genius.

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5 minutes ago, LOUDER said:

the lies tho. Rihanna is known for a lot more than just her hit singles. 

Btw she's already a iconic and doesn't have to prove a thing so as Lady Gaga so this question isn't even necessary.

I never said she has to prove anything her career has been huge

 

I'm just saying unlike some other artists, she's not talked about much on media during moments when she's not active or releasing.

 

I just feel like as successful as she is, she won't be thought about much in time even by our generation even tho people will obviously remember her

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16 minutes ago, LOUDER said:

the lies tho. Rihanna is known for a lot more than just her hit singles. 

Btw she's already a iconic and doesn't have to prove a thing so as Lady Gaga so this question isn't even necessary.

She's only known for her fashion and make up, as well as her past hit singles... no shade. 

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I agree with everything @AlexanderMagno mentions.

Now I have to come and defend miss Robyn Rihanna Fenty. If we are talking about "LEGEND" that is Rihanna and I'll tell you why.

Music: She started with music and has been successful in a range of genres: reggae, pop, r&b, edm, hip-hop. She has been exerimenting with every album she delivered, backed up with sales. We know her vocal limitations (and I guess she does too) therefore no "jazz" but Love On the Brain exists people. She had a #1 before her big explosion in the music scene. To this day, everything Rihanna touches or collaborates with turns into gold. Her songs are anthems across the globe, not every artist can say this.

Fashion: Riri has ser her fashion icon status and is a front-row darling. And she is disrupting this industry to it's systemic core thanks to Fenty Corp. Fenty Beauty was launched with 40+ different skin colors. While reportedely done before, only Rihanna had the authenticity to accomplish this venture and others followed. Savage x Fenty started as a socks collaboration and now it's a gender and body type inclusive brand. It literally cancelled the VS fashion show last year. FENTY, the first luxury house to be lead by a black woman, creates gender fluid clothing. She was also leading the free the nipple movement on social media and in red carpets. Chaning the industry for years to come.

Entertainment: She had some hits and misses in tv and movies but was always recognized as the major draw of interest in most of them. First they were some cameos but she has tried action, comedy, kids, sci-fi, and drama. The most recent hit was the Ocean's 8 movie. You can say that not Oscar-worthy material but the versatility can't be denied. I forgot to mention that she has been recently listed as the richest female musician in the UK. Pretty certain that she is close to this title worldwide as well.

Philantrophy: She founded Clara Lionel Foundation, CLF mostly focuses on education and the livelihood of her communities. She has always been at the forefront of humanitarian causes. She was from the first celebrities to donate due to the pandemic and asked others to pull up. Rihanna has never kept quiet of the causes that interest her even marching in some. Barbados also named her a country ambassador some time ago.

A self-made legend that is inspiring. She is in a league of her own, sorry! 

OT: From Gaga and Taylor, Gaga wins as she is more internationally recognized for her work and achievements and Taylor is mostly popular in english-speaking countries. You just need to see Taylor's tour legs to confirm that. I don't wish to shade but, who plays a Taylor Swift song during a party?

 

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Just now, xoxo Craig said:

She's only known for her fashion and make up... no shade

Gave you a Lmao because there's no Delusional react.

12 minutes ago, Economy said:

I never said she has to prove anything her career has been huge

 

I'm just saying unlike some other artists, she's not talked about much on media during moments when she's not active or releasing.

 

I just feel like as successful as she is, she won't be thought about much in time even by our generation even tho people will obviously remember her

R9 is one of the most anticipated albums by the media tho? Anti is still charting after 4 years? I just don't understand your point when you say she won't be remembered by our generation as much as the other girls.

She's working on R9 since forever and herself doesn't reveal much about it so obviously there's no much information for the media to cover.

In conclusion she's already a legend of her own. Like Lady Gaga, they both will be remembered through the years/decades.

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18 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

She's only known for her fashion and make up, as well as her past hit singles... no shade. 

Maybe to the new generations it might seem like this is the only think she has. But fashion and makeup are more competitve industries to break through. Rihanna keeps winning even when those people stream any of her already multi-platinum records.

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This is not a serious question, right? 

Gaga obviously 

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2 hours ago, AlexanderMagno said:

Well, in my opinion:

 

I actually think Rihanna already has a reasonably high legend status, and her hiatus from solo music helped. She has the "hitmaker" status, but Anti is perceived as a good artistic and personal venture, so she basically haulted her music career with a high note. She has incredible success in the fashion/makeup industry. By stepping away from music, she is actually growing the power of her name alone. And she is truly global, since forever and never stopped. Plus, she is an icon for both white and black public, even if in different ways. I find Rihanna a bigger legend than Taylor Swift and I think it will be very hard now to go back from that.

 

Taylor Swift, on the other hand, has a more "obvious" impact because she is very present. However, in a global scale, she is still just a successful music artist. Outside North America, she has became the new Katy Perry: a hitmaker, but not culturally significant. And while 1989 was an incredible global hit, her global presence is not as strong as, for example, Rihanna's. Nevertheless, she seems to have a big influence in the music industry, and a large following.

 

As for Adele, in the end she is basically a hitmaker as well so from all the girls you mentioned she is probably the one who has the most limited ventures. No movies, no perfumes, no big charity foundations or whatever... The thing is, she is so wildly successful everywhere she broke the scale. Doesn't matter if she disappears for three years, no one forgets about her, ever. People still talk about her and remember her, even if she stops doing music. She is the reference, even if there are better singers. I'm very curious to see how successful her next album will be, and even if it's not as big as 21 or 25 I'm sure it will be huge. I think Adele is creating sort of a "Aretha Franklin" type of status, only missing her black heritage of course. She definitely has the legend status and, unlike everyone else you've mentioned, she's the only one that was able to do it only through music.

 

As for Katy Perry, I agree that her business really went down, unexpectadly. She was such a big, really big hitmaker and now she struggles really hard, even more than Gaga... And we can't even say her sound is not mature enough, because it seems like she is trying to grow. I remember many, many years ago people were discussion "who will be the Cindy Lauper and the Madonna" about Gaga and Katy Perry, and turns out Katy Perry looks a lot more like Cindy Lauper - which is to say, no hits anymore, little presence in big social platforms, but still always remembered by her initial success. For someone who reads pop forums and has lived through the golden ages of these ladies, it's kind of difficult to see Katy Perry as a "lesser" pop artist than all the others. Her impact was very strong during Teenage Dream and even One of the Boys, and I think she will always have that to somehow feed her status.

 

Lady Gaga is the full artist, which is already a big achievement, but most of all she has proven to be able to deliver very successful projects from time to time. Her lows are still somewhat steady and her highs (namely, A Star Is Born) can be very high. She has ventured to so many different projects she has developed an incredibly broad status for her, thus guaranteeing being a legend. She truly is the one that comes close to what ultimate pop legends like Madonna and Cher have - different music genres, business outside music, movies, and the recognition as someone who brings something new to the table (whether through the music videos or experimenting with pop music instead of going for what's commercially appealing right now).

 

So, what am I trying to say here?

First, that all artists you've mentioned are the remains of an older generation. Which means that, by default, all of them are already legends by their own terms. I don't think it's fair to say who's the bigger legend because all of them survived somehow. All have highs and lows, good and bad. Unlike the recent generation (Dua Lipa, Ariana Grande, Billie Eilish, etc), you don't need to wonder too much about their status in the future because they are way past her initial years. They are living their future. Even if they all stop doing music, they established their names. That's the reason why you didn't include names like Kesha, who was as big as they were during their generation, but ten years later is not even worth mentioning as a candidate (please let's not discuss the reasons why this might have happened). Even Katy Perry, with her downfall, has a better chance of being remembered.

 

I actually think Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift are quite close with their legend status. Like, the reasons why they are legends are completely different, but basically reached the same height. Actually, from all the other artists you've mentioned, I think these two are the only ones that are close to each other, and not exactly because they are bigger than the others. For example, I think Rihanna and Adele enjoy a slightly bigger legend status. Yes, Lady Gaga has a broader artistic range, and is more active, which will let you think that by default she's bigger. But both Rihanna and Adele are a matter of discussion even when they are on a hiatus, while Lady Gaga is kind of forgotten between her projects. As for Taylor Swift, I don't really know because again she is basically the new Katy Perry in Europe, the kind of talk she generates here is completely different. And for that, between Taylor Swift and Lady Gaga, Lady Gaga seems to be the one who will have a bigger legend status, and quite easily (diverse career, big voice, global impact). But I think Adele and Rihanna will always be more appreciated than Gaga.

I love your comment about them being remenents if a generation

 

It's true... After 10-12 years (15 in Rihanna's case) they are the 5 names still remembered among female artists that everyone can recognize and at this point none of them will be forgotten

 

So all 5 of them are legends from that era/generation

 

Also about the Cyndi comparison to Katy... I think Katy might have beaten Cyndi in success even tho I'm not sure

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13 minutes ago, LOUDER said:

Gave you a Lmao because there's no Delusional react.

R9 is one of the most anticipated albums by the media tho? Anti is still charting after 4 years? I just don't understand your point when you say she won't be remembered by our generation as much as the other girls.

She's working on R9 since forever and herself doesn't reveal much about it so obviously there's no much information for the media to cover.

In conclusion she's already a legend of her own. Like Lady Gaga, they both will be remembered through the years/decades.

I mean, it really feels like Rihanna doesn't care about music. She doesn't have albums that are that iconic or game changing. She doesn't write her own music, she doesn’t even really have the vocals for it.

I feel like because she isn't releasing music, her album isn't the most anticipated. I'd say Katy's album is more anticipated. Though I'm sure if Rihanna made signs she was releasing something, people would be hyped again. But I feel people are over the 'anticipation'. She only seems to care about her make up and beauty brand. 

So to be considered a legend in the music industry? I just don't see it for Rihanna. She'll be iconic and have previous hits, but I don't see "legend" being attached to her name

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29 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

I mean, it really feels like Rihanna doesn't care about music. She doesn't have albums that are that iconic or game changing. She doesn't write her own music, she doesn’t even really have the vocals for it.

I feel like because she isn't releasing music, her album isn't the most anticipated. I'd say Katy's album is more anticipated. Though I'm sure if Rihanna made signs she was releasing something, people would be hyped again. But I feel people are over the 'anticipation'. She only seems to care about her make up and beauty brand. 

So to be considered a legend in the music industry? I just don't see it for Rihanna. She'll be iconic and have previous hits, but I don't see "legend" being attached to her name

What are you talking about? She doesn't release nothing since 2016 and she's still currently one of the most streamed female artists (even more than Gaga between SL and before the ROM release). Anti is still charting and a lot of critics praised as a turning point on the music scenario. Plus she have credits as a writers for some of her songs so don't even start. Imagine thinking that Rihanna doesn't have vocals to it but Katy or Taylor have... Unbelievable.

judging by "Daisies" performance and numbers, no one's going to check her new album or even care if she's releasing one so it's kinda delulu of you saying something like that.

Rihanna is already a legend in the music industry after all the records she broke through her career. Katy and Taylor can only dream.

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They will both have it but Gaga will have more prestige I think as she's way more versatile

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18 minutes ago, LOUDER said:

What are you talking about? She doesn't release nothing since 2016 and she's still currently one of the most streamed female artists (even more than Gaga between SL and before the ROM release). Anti is still charting and a lot of critics praised as a turning point on the music scenario. Plus she have credits as a writers for some of her songs so don't even start. Imagine thinking that Rihanna doesn't have vocals to it but Katy or Taylor have... Unbelievable.

judging by "Daisies" performance and numbers, no one's going to check her new album or even care if she's releasing one so it's kinda delulu of you saying something like that.

Rihanna is already a legend in the music industry after all the records she broke through her career. Katy and Taylor can only dream.

Okay one question. In 20 years time, will Rihanna be remembered for her music or her make-up/beauty and fashion? Because I can tell you right now, Gaga was born to perform. Whether it be on a big screen, on a stage, whatever - thats what she was destined to do. Gaga is someone I (as well as many others) look at for being in something 100% and for the long term. 

I see that with Adele, I see that with Taylor, I see that with Katy. They will all be remembered for music and their art. 

But, Rihanna has never organically created something. She has never wrote a hit. Her vocals aren't that stellar (they have improved). She doesn't have the artistry of an artist. She's singing other people's songs to a wide audience, her music videos aren't that groundbreaking, when she went into acting she was heavily criticised... (I'm not trying to be shady or flamebait here)

And you must admit, Rihanna's "passion" has gone severely down hill for music. The most recent features sound like she doesn't want to be there. Its very obvious that her passion lies in makeup and beauty. And she's created this empire which will be remembered for the rest of history. As stans of Gaga, yes of course we remember Rihanna for her past hits. But she hasn't had a hit that's stuck with people since 2015... maybe even earlier. 

Tell me honestly, will Rihanna be remembered for music in 20, 30, or 40 years time? I don't see it.