All the current female icons have now a #1

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Yeah but only Gaga got it with her DEBUT single.

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Sorry but nicki don't belong to that list, she's just a rapper who puts her name on anyone's tracks, if we do that, we should count Florida or pitbull as legendary acts too lmao

 

 

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6 minutes ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said:

Yeah but only Gaga got it with her DEBUT single.

And her second 

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"current female icon" is so abstract and arbitrary though

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2 hours ago, xoxo Craig said:

GUY, Venus, and Dope are all from an album   The Cure charted but not highly, and only stayed for like two weeks   Never Really Over charted higher than The Cure

You went from defending Katy to dragging Gaga. God, this fanbase is cursed.

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41 minutes ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said:

Yeah but only Gaga got it with her DEBUT single.

 

34 minutes ago, Blastertoyo said:

And her second 

Only Gaga and Mariah can relate 

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3 hours ago, xoxo Craig said:

GUY, Venus, and Dope are all from an album   The Cure charted but not highly, and only stayed for like two weeks   Never Really Over charted higher than The Cure

I used Venus and Dope as examples because they were not singles and still charted higher than every Katy droplet aside from Never Really Over. Small Talk peaked at what like #87 even after having a big budget music video? Harleys in Hawaii is an amazing song, one of her best, didn't even chart. Never Worn White didn't chart, not even with the pregnancy hype. Never Really Over was definitely going to be the lead single for KP5, at least until the era derailed with Small Talk and kept on derailing. 

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I definitely wouldn't class rappers as pop. Pop is a sound, it doesn't just mean "popular." One foray into a pop-based album doth not a popstar make. But I think it's a sign that #1's can still mean something if all the biggest names have one, if not several. Charts are fast becoming irrelevant and it's so much harder to get one if you're a woman, so this at least shows that there's still some weight to it.

11 hours ago, xoxo Craig said:

That was the whole point. The song was there to act as an announcement for her pregnancy - nothing more. It was never supposed to be a chart topping success, and its why it never got any promotion. She announced her pregnancy, and people were hyped about that. THEN a day later she announces that she is dropping an album in the summer, and garners hype for that. NWW did its job perfectly, and now people are hyped for her to become a mother and for this next era to begin.

If it wasn't meant to be a success, why was it released? Fans really need to stop using the buzz single excuse. Labels don't allow songs to be released just as a fun little bonus to pass the time between albums. It's meant to get some level of success to keep the artist afloat and/or was intended to be the lead single but ends up getting cancelled when it doesn't take off and the album has to be restructured. There's a lot of money riding on songs to be hits, they aren't just released for no reason. You can't use "buzz single" to explain away clear cases of flopping. When songs are topping the charts from new, unknown artists who didn't even promote but a household name like Katy can't even get a new single to chart, you know the public's lost interest. And when a non-single like Say So is plucked by listeners off an album, becomes a TikTok challenge, which demands it becomes a single and ends up topping the chart, yet Katy can't even get an officially declared single to chart, you know she's definitely lost relevance. It looks like Katy simply can't survive in this new era. If a pregnancy announcement in a music video loses interest after 2 days, I don't know what else she can do at this point.

10 hours ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said:

Yeah but only Gaga got it with her DEBUT single.

Britney, Christina, Mariah and Katy (Ur So Gay was a promo single) also got #1 debut singles. I was about to say Beyonce too but then I remembered that Work It Out was technically her first ever single.

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4 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

Britney, Christina, Mariah and Katy (Ur So Gay was a promo single) also got #1 debut singles. I was about to say Beyonce too but then I remembered that Work It Out was technically her first ever single.

Britney and Xtina had songs with Disney, Mariah is not a CURRENT female icon. Katy had released as Katy Hudson before (Red and Blue wasn't an official release)

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2 minutes ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said:

Britney and Xtina had songs with Disney, Mariah is not a CURRENT female icon. Katy had released as Katy Hudson before (Red and Blue wasn't an official release)

I see Reflection is listed a Christina's very first but Wikipedia states that Baby One More Time is Britney's first ever single. I know Mariah's not current but I was just talking in terms of women getting their first #1's in general. Maria's got more #1's than any other female in history, we can hardly pretend that doesn't matter. And Katy Hudson may not have had a hit career but IKAW was her debut as Katy Perry.

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"Icons" in the very loose sense of the word.  And same about "current."

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32 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I definitely wouldn't class rappers as pop. Pop is a sound, it doesn't just mean "popular." One foray into a pop-based album doth not a popstar make. But I think it's a sign that #1's can still mean something if all the biggest names have one, if not several. Charts are fast becoming irrelevant and it's so much harder to get one if you're a woman, so this at least shows that there's still some weight to it.

If it wasn't meant to be a success, why was it released? Fans really need to stop using the buzz single excuse. Labels don't allow songs to be released just as a fun little bonus to pass the time between albums. It's meant to get some level of success to keep the artist afloat and/or was intended to be the lead single but ends up getting cancelled when it doesn't take off and the album has to be restructured. There's a lot of money riding on songs to be hits, they aren't just released for no reason. You can't use "buzz single" to explain away clear cases of flopping. When songs are topping the charts from new, unknown artists who didn't even promote but a household name like Katy can't even get a new single to chart, you know the public's lost interest. And when a non-single like Say So is plucked by listeners off an album, becomes a TikTok challenge, which demands it becomes a single and ends up topping the chart, yet Katy can't even get an officially declared single to chart, you know she's definitely lost relevance. It looks like Katy simply can't survive in this new era. If a pregnancy announcement in a music video loses interest after 2 days, I don't know what else she can do at this point.

Britney, Christina, Mariah and Katy (Ur So Gay was a promo single) also got #1 debut singles. I was about to say Beyonce too but then I remembered that Work It Out was technically her first ever single.

Because instead of Katy writing a post on Twitter or Instagram, she decided to put it into her art form that she felt the most comfortable with sharing that information with people. The song is intimate, and its perfect for a moment that is also intimate. Its like when Gaga released Joanne (Where Do You Think You're Goin'). An intimate song that for an intimate moment and to further expand what that era was about. Did you think she and Interscope released it for it to become a top 10 hit? Of course not. 

Not every song that an artist may release is intended or supposed to be a chart topping success. 

Buzz singles to me are small little pockets of music released by an artist with no real intended purpose. All of Katy's singles in 2019 were exactly that. They got some promotion, but not a huge amount like you would expect for an album campaign. 

Never Worn White isn't even a buzz single, though it has generated some hype. It received no promotion or anything from her or her label. Think of it like an audible message that people would share on Facebook or Instagram... thats essentially what Katy did for her pregnancy announcement, and thus, Never Worn White was born.