PartySick 173,156 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Val said: Also, am I allowed to say that Joe Biden r**ed Tara Reade? Because he did. And it changes nothing, sadly. Biden's been accused of harassment by 7 other women and assault by Tara. Trump has been accused of assault by 23, including his exwife, a woman who was a minor at the time, and not including dozens and dozens of women in pageants and women who work for him. Gross is gross but...I think the choice is easy between the two of them. You know who never assaulted a woman though? Several of the other candidates that we pushed to the side for Biden Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val 132 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Just now, PartySick said: You know who never assaulted a woman though? Several of the other candidates that we pushed to the side for Biden There's this candidate... I think his name also starts with a B... He sounded cool but I don't really know who it is, the DNC isn't pushing anyone besides Biden Don't want your jewels, want your drugs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatican 4,046 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, HybridAT said: Bernie was projected by polls to be the nominee just three weeks ago. What happened? Basically, polls mean nothing. These indicators of enthusiasm are useless. Biden wasn't the first choice for a lot of voters, especially those who supported other candidates who later endorsed Biden like Pete, Amy, Kamala, Cory etc. But most of them ended up voting for him. So you posted a poll and now they mean nothing? I can say from my perspective Biden seems to have even less enthusiasm than Hillary did at this juncture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatican 4,046 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, PartySick said: Biden's been accused of harassment by 7 other women and assault by Tara. Trump has been accused of assault by 23, including his exwife, a woman who was a minor at the time, and not including dozens and dozens of women in pageants and women who work for him. Gross is gross but...I think the choice is easy between the two of them. You know who never assaulted a woman though? Several of the other candidates that we pushed to the side for Biden I refuse to vote for the lesser of two rapists. Bernie or DemExit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val 132 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chromatican said: I refuse to vote for the lesser of two rapists. Bernie or DemExit. This is exactly where I stand. Don't want your jewels, want your drugs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid AT 78 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chromatican said: I refuse to vote for the lesser of two rapists. Bernie or DemExit. Just now, Val said: This is exactly where I stand. Shining examples of "Not Me, Us", "Solidarity" "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatican 4,046 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 minute ago, HybridAT said: Shining examples of "Not Me, Us", "Solidarity" We should support whoever the DNC shoves down our throat for the sake os solidarity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 173,156 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Val said: There's this candidate... I think his name also starts with a B... He sounded cool but I don't really know who it is, the DNC isn't pushing anyone besides Biden Bloomberg? Mayor Bete? 🌈 3 minutes ago, Chromatican said: I refuse to vote for the lesser of two rapists. Bernie or DemExit. I mean, that's just going to ensure the worse rapist gets in but ok. Better to compromise your moral code when it prevents a worse evil than to be a proud man, sticking to your guns, only to lose it all. It's just not a realistic standpoint imo but it's your vote, do what you want with it. Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid AT 78 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Chromatican said: So you posted a poll and now they mean nothing? I can say from my perspective Biden seems to have even less enthusiasm than Hillary did at this juncture. Lol. Yeah, right. This is another level of delusion. Hillary faced staunch sexism and misogyny. She had an incredible amount of baggage. Biden is a much better candidate. Anyway, point being, polls are always a sample. And they always work on confirmation bias. So, whatever. Feel free to believe any poll you want. Facts remain unchanged. Bernie couldn't win the primary. If he couldn't win the primary, there was no way in hell a self-avowed democratic socialist was winning against a far-right conservative in the GE. But okay 3 minutes ago, Chromatican said: We should support whoever the DNC shoves down our throat for the sake os solidarity? No. But if you think treating the elections as a joke and throwing away your vote to enable regression and fascism is fine when this is a literal life-or-death election for millions, then go ahead. Maybe those lives weren't a part of the "Us" huh? "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatican 4,046 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 minute ago, PartySick said: Bloomberg? Mayor Bete? 🌈 I mean, that's just going to ensure the worse rapist gets in but ok. Better to compromise your moral code when it prevents a worse evil than to be a proud man, sticking to your guns, only to lose it all. It's just not a realistic standpoint imo but it's your vote, do what you want with it. Sorry, compromising my values and giving into the DNC's manufacturing of consent won't cut it for me anymore. We need to stop giving up our votes so easily. If the Democratic Establishment can count on you no matter what they will take advantage of it. Until they start representing what a large majority of the party wants (Medicare for All, Green New Deal, etc.) they've lost my vote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 173,156 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Just now, Chromatican said: Sorry, compromising my values and giving into the DNC's manufacturing of consent won't cut it for me anymore. We need to stop giving up our votes so easily. If the Democratic Establishment can count on you no matter what they will take advantage of it. Until they start representing what a large majority of the party wants (Medicare for All, Green New Deal, etc.) they've lost my vote. Gotta say I see where you're coming from but I still disagree. The DNC is wretched but the only current realistic alternative is pure evil (Trump and the GOP). With the GOP's shrinking base I suspect that'll change in the near future but for now, it's either settle or contribute to evil. Again, just my opinion Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatican 4,046 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 minute ago, HybridAT said: Lol. Yeah, right. This is another level of delusion. Polls are always a sample. But they always work on confirmation bias. So, whatever. Feel free to believe any poll to want. Facts remain unchanged. Bernie couldn't win the primary. If he couldn't win the primary, there was no way in hell a self-avowed democratic socialist was winning against a far-right conservative in the GE. But okay No. But if you think treating the elections as a joke and throwing away your vote to enable regression and fascism is fine when this is a literal life-or-death election for millions, then go ahead. Maybe those lives weren't a part of the "Us" huh? You are misrepresenting what I'm saying. This might better explain my perspective: http://www.indigenousaction.org/voting-is-not-harm-reduction-an-indigenous-perspective/ I absolutely believe Bernie would have beaten Trump, or has a better chance than Biden. He is able to speak to larger crowds, garner larger grassroots donations, has a broader coalition, more youth support. And I believe many Americans only vote in the general, the primary results are misleading and many were not counted accurately. Votes got flipped to Biden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val 132 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, PartySick said: I mean, that's just going to ensure the worse rapist gets in but ok. Better to compromise your moral code when it prevents a worse evil than to be a proud man, sticking to your guns, only to lose it all. Joe Biden is arguably a worse rapist and worse evil. He has voted against abortion, has voted against gay marriage, has enabled fracking in the arctic, has enabled many wars in the middle East, has voted for cutting social security, and rallied extremely hard to get Republican Clarence Thomas (who has compared liberalism to being a Klansman) appointed as a judge. Biden is going to uphold the status quo, which to be quite honest with you is just barely better than going hard into fascism by softening the landing; and it's ok to think voting 3rd party is throwing it away, but I can't vote for this man in good faith. They're both horrible, horrible human beings. Being a rape victim myself, voting someone into office who has MULTIPLE allegations against him and seeing the way he touches people is chilling me to my core. Edit: I say arguably because Trump is largely incompetent- leading to him just making stupid unbased decisions to please his voters. Biden, if his brain hasn't melted, will have a plan. Don't want your jewels, want your drugs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 173,156 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 This is how I feel about the Bernie or bust thing. Of course it's a Dragonball Z throwback some context for those who aren't nerds: Cell is the villain threatening to kill everyone and destroy the Earth. Gohan is the only one with the power to stop him but he refuses to use it because he doesn't want to fight or, god forbid, kill anyone. Android 16 uses his final words to reach him. TeamFourStar did it best imo: "Cell was right. You think you’re better than everyone else, but there you stand: the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs and your rigid pacifism crumbles into bloodstained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns. You are a coward, to your last whimper." Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 173,156 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Val said: Joe Biden is arguably a worse rapist and worse evil. He has voted against abortion, has voted against gay marriage, has enabled fracking in the arctic, has enabled many wars in the middle East, has voted for cutting social security, and rallied extremely hard to get Republican Clarence Thomas (who has compared liberalism to being a Klansman) appointed as a judge. Biden is going to uphold the status quo, which to be quite honest with you is just barely better than going hard into fascism by softening the landing; and it's ok to think voting 3rd party is throwing it away, but I can't vote for this man in good faith. They're both horrible, horrible human beings. Being a rape victim myself, voting someone into office who has MULTIPLE allegations against him and seeing the way he touches people is chilling me to my core. Trump has a lot of those same positions and he perpetuates falsehoods (like "after birth abortion") to back them up. I'm sorry but Trump is so much worse and if voting for Biden is what it takes to do away with him them I'll do it. Again, though, I respect y'all's right to vote how you want. It's a free country. Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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