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[Glamourpuss 29,062]

1 minute ago, sarahb said:

Just that a lot of vegans I encounter online are for the complete abolishment of animal agriculture. Since I see it often described as 'murder' and 'slavery' I just assumed it was the end goal with no exceptions. 

I think you raised a good point. I have often wondered if it's right to own pets that require meat to survive. But I never thought about what would happen in the long term if there was a complete abolishment of the meat industry. 

[Glamourpuss 29,062]

6 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said:

Ideally I would like that as well. I just don’t know what can be done about domesticated pets. Maybe they can live off a vegan diet, but I think I read once that cats  need to consume a certain vitamin found only in fish, so they couldn’t ever be vegan. I’ve read that dogs can thrive off certain vegan diets, so that’s cool. 

I’ve been a vegan for a little over a year, so I’m still settling in. 
 

But yeah, animals being bred, tortured and murdered for human consumption is straight up evil

Cats require taurine which is an amino acid that's found in all meat but not fish.

Meat can be grown in a lab now. I wonder if that will be where we get meat from in the future. 

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5 minutes ago, Glamourpuss said:

Cats require taurine which is an amino acid that's found in all meat but not fish.

Omg, I think I might’ve mistook “not found in fish” with “only found in fish” 

5 minutes ago, Glamourpuss said:

Meat can be grown in a lab now. I wonder if that will be where we get meat from in the future. 

I was just think about this, too. How they already “grew” meat in a lab, but that we’re still far away from it being a a viable replacement because of the costs. But it would be extremely dope if it became viable and eventually accessible to the public, so those who want to ditch animal cruelty but keep the meat can be satisfied, and we can still make “meat” based food for our pets. 

[Didymus 34,380]

The ignorance here, WOW. I'm a vegan and I'm very offended by some of the things I read here. Veganism is a Hollywood elite trend? Veganism is bad for the planet? Holy ****ing ****.

[Didymus 34,380]

6 hours ago, sarahb said:

So at the end of the day animals will still need to be farmed and killed for meat? Doesn't sound very vegan. 

Vegans also want the pet industry to shrink to a level that is acceptable (aka only rescues, no more forced breeding). Plus, most vegans widely support the growing of lab meat (or koji protein for dogs) that allows cats and dogs to eat plant-based "meat" sustainably while not compromising their health. That's the link you're missing Vegans are talking about pet food, don't worry, it's not some deluded oversight. For example, the production of pet food has also shown to provide a quarter of the global environmental impact of the whole meat industry. It's more important a subject than you might suspect.

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7 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Vegans also want the pet industry to shrink to a level that is acceptable (aka only rescues, no more forced breeding). Plus, most vegans widely support the growing of lab meat (or koji protein for dogs) that allows cats and dogs to eat plant-based "meat" sustainably while not compromising their health. That's the link you're missing Vegans are talking about pet food, don't worry, it's not some deluded oversight. For example, the production of pet food has also shown to provide a quarter of the global environmental impact of the whole meat industry. It's more important a subject than you might suspect.

What am I supposed to feed my carnivorous fish? Reptiles? They don't eat livestock, they eat bug protein. Will bugs be acceptable? 

[Didymus 34,380]

12 minutes ago, sarahb said:

What am I supposed to feed my carnivorous fish? Reptiles? They don't eat livestock, they eat bug protein. Will bugs be acceptable? 

Of course, for the time being. Vegans aren't perfect. It's a tough balancing act because technology and major companies haven't transitioned yet to (a) cruelty free  food (production method). Bugs will be fine. In the meantime, know that there is promising research done to allow carnivorous fish to become vegetarian/vegan.

I guess the best thing you could do is to take care of these fish as well as you can and just not buy them again Fish are not pets and they don't belong in our homes.

[sarahb 16,613]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

I guess the best thing you could do is to take care of these fish as well as you can and just not buy them again Fish are not pets and they don't belong in our homes.

Yeah never happening in a million years sorry. 

I'm sure my betta is miserable in his 14 gallon tank to himself. 

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21 hours ago, xoxo Craig said:

Its not, its actually more damaging because the natural ecosystem where carbon gets absorbed by the grass would be destroyed 

that’s... not how it works tho 

grass will still exist without livestock and photosynthesis continues regardless of if livestock is living on it. in fact livestock produce an insane amount of greenhouse gases (cows in particular) and soil being used to grow crops is much more healthy and nutritious than soil being packed in by cows. it’s fairly simple, plants = sequestering carbon, animals = producing greenhouse gases.

funnily enough I think the ideal human diet is omnivorous because we were Born This Way.mp3 but I have mad respect for vegans as they’re making a sacrifice which is proven to be good for the planet, if they do it right. so I agree ideally we wouldn’t have vegans but since we’re in a very dire climate crisis it’s one of the best things people outside of the large corporations causing most of the problems can do to help.

[Didymus 34,380]

7 hours ago, sarahb said:

Yeah never happening in a million years sorry. 

I'm sure my betta is miserable in his 14 gallon tank to himself. 

It's not about your pets being miserable or not, it's the fact that you're denying them a natural life for your own entertainment that's the problem.

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[sarahb 16,613]

3 hours ago, Didymus said:

It's not about your pets being miserable or not, it's the fact that you're denying them a natural life for your own entertainment that's the problem.

They're not even natural animals in the first place. I have a betta and two goldfish, those fish have been kept and bred by humans for centuries and no longer look or behave like their original counterparts, they probably wouldn't last long in the wild. 

Despite that, even if they were one of the more natural fish species, as long as they're not suffering who gives a ****? They get a decent life and me keeping them makes me happy, and yes, entertains me (not sure why finding pets entertaining is some sort of horrible sin). No one is losing here so I don't see what problems not having them would solve. 

[Didymus 34,380]

37 minutes ago, sarahb said:

They're not even natural animals in the first place. I have a betta and two goldfish, those fish have been kept and bred by humans for centuries and no longer look or behave like their original counterparts, they probably wouldn't last long in the wild. 

Despite that, even if they were one of the more natural fish species, as long as they're not suffering who gives a ****? They get a decent life and me keeping them makes me happy, and yes, entertains me (not sure why finding pets entertaining is some sort of horrible sin). No one is losing here so I don't see what problems not having them would solve. 

It’s not a horrible sin. But it’s part of an ideology that vegans find problematic. A species shouldn’t decide what to do with another’s species’ life and use their power to dominate it.

Besides, fish in containment do actively suffer and there’s an overwhelming scientific literature backing me up on that point so don’t bother arguing in that direction.

[sarahb 16,613]

4 minutes ago, Didymus said:

It’s not a horrible sin. But it’s part of an ideology that vegans find problematic. A species shouldn’t decide what to do with another’s species’ life and use their power to dominate it.

Besides, fish in containment do actively suffer and there’s an overwhelming scientific literature backing me up on that point so don’t bother arguing in that direction.

I'm not a vegan nor do I believe in that ideology so it's an absolute non-issue for me. 

If my fish are suffering they don't do a good job of showing it. They're active, have an appetite, have bright colours and explore. Not exactly signs of a stressed fish. 

[sarahb 16,613]

4 minutes ago, mauvais said:

Well, not all fish are equally good pets. Goldfish would grow to the size of your forearm if not kept in a relatively small tank. In fact, store bought goldfish thrive in the wild as an invasive species (pictured below).  In comparison, betta fish are small, solitary animals and probably better pets. 

There's different breeds of goldfish. Yeah the goldfish that guy is holding would need either a pond or a very large aquarium, but mine are a different breed that don't grow as big, have a different body shape and are fine being kept in my 3 foot tank.