Billie Eilish thinks a lot of hip-hop right now is lying about guns & women

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Her fans though.. we love deflection and stubbornness in defending someone only because is your fave.  

[ltlmnstr 2,771]

5 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

The "Bruises, on both my knees for you" recorded when she was underage was also disturbing.

Of course teens have sex before being 18 yo but I don't like them telling the world about it lmao. It sexualize folks of their age when many are still FAR to be ready for sex yet.

People gonna associate 16 yo girls with sexuality and then go for girls of this age when many are literally still kids mentally.

It’s also way I was very cautious raising any concerns about her. Considering what seems to be a fanbase almost similar to Little Monsters 2011.

She covered a song called Sex by The 1975 and I was really shocked when I found out.

I grew up with How To Catch A Predator and I am scarred for life. The number of child brides in America is alarming. And most of them happen because of rape and grooming.

(I think the boundaries of adult norms and child norms has been blurred from 2010s geek/nerd embrace and “adulting” But I’ll expand on this topic another time.)

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I’m gonna exit this thread because I think it’s just gonna get negative for me and possibly for everyone. I’ll just end that I hope I expanded on why the racial context of her statement matters. I don’t personally hate or dislike her. I’m very neutral to her. So I hope my previous comments aren’t “cancelling.”

[brucee 1,690]

she said one insensitive thing. She'll regret it later if she hasn't twice already.

She's still a beautiful singer. Sh$t happens. She's very young too.

[littlepotter 75,157]

6 hours ago, gagaweekly said:

So suddenly gagadaily loves hiphop, just to bash her

Literally

She spilled. 

[littlepotter 75,157]

30 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Her fans though.. we love deflection and stubbornness in defending someone only because is your fave.  

It's very much the opposite lmao, she literally said nothing wrong. Haters are pulling all kinds of stretches to make her look bad

[FlopSlurper 34,336]

several points were made, and several monsters were left pressed

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2 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

It's very much the opposite lmao, she literally said nothing wrong. Haters are pulling all kinds of stretches to make her look bad

This:

8 hours ago, Gypsy Life said:

You don't have to embody what you're singing about. For instance, you're a Justin Bieber fan trying to act all dark and edgy.

and this

8 hours ago, Bio said:

I mean everything about her music to her looks is stolen from hip hop artists but ok

And while what she said is not racist in itself I understand how it can be interpreted as such and considered to have racists undertones. 

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1 hour ago, ltlmnstr said:

Like to expand @LilyLark

Counterfeit Fashion has always been a core component of streetwear. Streetwear which is the backbone of Black Fashion. Because streetwear has always been poor communities minority-focused because Elitist fashion would never cater to them.

(See Oprah being denied in Europe from buying a bag. See Black kids manhandled over buying a Ferragamo belt. See Paris is Burning segment about White norms towards Black people, especially Black Queers.)

Dapper Dan was a key figure in that movement. Especially with the NYC underground Balls.

This is what many Black people are talking about with her Grammys look. This is a really really old photo. Like from 2006. It has been passed around on many racists forums and many forums that catered to only Black people. (Yes there was a time before social media where every one self segregated. Idk why it just was. AsianAve and BlackPlanet were noticeable ones)

Notice the watermark.

 

Black people get made fun of for this for years. Because Black Creativity is seen as a joke until Whites do it. Then it’s suddenly ~hot trend~

Agree, I know what you are saying (I'm a WOC). At the same time, it's not really Billie—it's a racist systematic issue, involving the public, fashion magazines, etc., that elevate "white" takes on older "Black" fashion.  That said and in regards to her comments, not fashion, she should have been more aware of the dynamics when she commented on hip hop.

[littlepotter 75,157]

27 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

This:

and this

And while what she said is not racist in itself I understand how it can be interpreted as such and considered to have racists undertones. 

I hage yet to understand what that photo is supposed to prove..? This is her single cover in case you weren't aware. She published this. Since the beginning of her career she has talked about stanning Justin Bieber when she was young. How is this in any way meant to show that she's "fake"? It quite literally proves the opposite, she's being 100% real and doesn't shy away from admitting her guilty pleasures. 

How is it racist for her to point out obvious flaws in hip hop culture? I'm so confused. I thought we were all on the same page that gun violence is not a light matter? How is she in the wrong for calling out violent and misogynistic lyrics? 

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1 hour ago, ltlmnstr said:

I understand the song is mostly satire but it’s alarming that when she was 16 she sang about wanting to get with older men

Right when America was exposing many pedophiles in Hollywood.

Jeffery Epstein and Brian Singer for example.

So the criticism isn’t far off if we’re gonna start the “hip hop glamorizes gun violence and drugs”

Many could say she was glamorizing pedophilia

the song came out when she was 17 (which is above the age of consent in almost every state in america and nation in the world so if she hypothetically wanted to have sex with someone’s father it would be completely legal with her consent)

also if any of you that are coming for her would read the interview this quote is being taken from out of context you would see she’s talking about storytelling and songwriting and building characters / writing from a point of view, because she’s been criticized for her songs being very dark and dealing with serious topics like drugs and suicide. she says that she isn’t suicidal and she’s never done drugs, the songs are from a different point of view but that is different than lying in a song which she says is done by men who claim they have guns and sell crack and **** bitches. she was barely even criticizing them. learn to read y’all and stop hating Billie simply because she’s young and talented and may take attention away from your faves.

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If you read thru all my other comments, @gypsy101 I was expanding on different viewpoints on why her comments are being taken as insensitive and why certain people can misconstrue her words at face value.

I’m not “coming” for anyone.

How about you practice what you preach and don’t accuse me of “hating” or “coming at” and “spreading negativity” or “making GGD a negative space” and actually read all of my comments before you reply.

18 is the national age of consent. National bypasses state law. 17 is only acceptable in certain states on a case by case bases considering marriage. Sexual conduct is a whole other legal matter where 18 will always be seen as the legal age.

I’ve worded my previous comments very carefully as to help educate and not provoke any negativity but baseless personal accusations off my comments, I will not tolerate. 
 

If you’re mad that some people here don’t like Billie, you should conduct yourself in a manner that doesn’t harken you’re acting on impulse. Otherwise you sound like 2011 Little Monsters dragging other artists for not being Gaga.

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46 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

I hage yet to understand what that photo is supposed to prove..? This is her single cover in case you weren't aware. She published this. Since the beginning of her career she has talked about stanning Justin Bieber when she was young. How is this in any way meant to show that she's "fake"? It quite literally proves the opposite, she's being 100% real and doesn't shy away from admitting her guilty pleasures. 

How is it racist for her to point out obvious flaws in hip hop culture? I'm so confused. I thought we were all on the same page that gun violence is not a light matter? How is she in the wrong for calling out violent and misogynistic lyrics? 

She is talking about hip hop artists being hypocrite because they rap about women and guns when do not have women an guns, therefore the implication is that they are posers  yet she is presenting herself as a dark and non-mainstream when her idol is Justin Bieber. 

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35 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

She is talking about hip hop artists being hypocrite because they rap about women and guns when do not have women an guns, therefore the implication is that they are posers  yet she is presenting herself as a dark and non-mainstream when her idol is Justin Bieber. 

What you are saying is contradictory: how does she "present" herself as non-mainstream and dark when she herself talks about liking Justin Bieber, when she herself spent half her acceptance speech for her album award praising Ariana's record, when she herself l i t e r a l l y said in a recenr interview: "I don't view myself as dark, no one around me would say I'm dark". 

See what's going on here? "Dark and non-mainstream" is how YOU view HER. It's not how she defines herself, by far. People would much rather believe their perception of someone than listen to that person and actually try to find out what they are. I don't blame you - there are many more important things in life than knowing Billie Eilish - but you see how it can get annoying when people judge her based on how they view her and not how she is.

[Didymus 34,380]

She's right and if Gaga said it everyone here would've defended her. But it's Billie, so yeah.