I'm sad about Gaga rejecting her past achievements

[Didymus 34,380]

1 minute ago, moonboywow said:

I think its more difficult to write actual honest lyrics that are straight to the point. Its difficult to self reflect and see the ugly truth within yourself. Its easy to fancy it up with metaphors imo. 

Any kid could've written the Joanne song lyrics. Sorry but that's the truth. It literally reads like a kids' middle school poem assignment if you don't listen to the music.

[moonboywow 3,136]

Just now, Didymus said:

Any kid could've written the Joanne song lyrics. Sorry but that's the truth. It literally reads like a kids' middle school poem assignment if you don't listen to the music.

Well I suppose my crying and thinking about Jonghyun and my love for the song is just an opinion then. Have a nice day. 

[Mister G 10,430]

4 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Any kid could've written the Joanne song lyrics. Sorry but that's the truth. It literally reads like a kids' middle school poem assignment if you don't listen to the music.

Omg Savage

[freemymindARTPOP 2,455]

1 hour ago, WholesomeOOf said:

Both Joanne/A Star Is Born are not entirely country and instead fall somewhere in a pop, folk, rock, dance fusion with country sprinkled throughout. Besides, I don't see how experimenting with those styles is a bad thing or "basic". It seems as though Gaga can't go outside the norm and truly be experimental for herself without some fans criticizing her every move. It happened with ARTPOP to an extent, Cheek to Cheek,Joanne, ASIB,etc. Joanne is anything but basic as well imo, especially since no one was putting out material like it at that time. Even Shallow wasn't a uh conventional song you'd hear on the radio these days either.

Also I don't think she necessarily gave something up for Enigma. She is able to continue performing while not overexerting her body on a world tour. Personally, I don't see anything wrong or contradicting with that.

well to go from TFM, BTW & AP to songs like The Cure is a downgrade

And i get that she needs to rest her body and i totally understand that, but it just feels like she is stuck in Vegas and at a young point in her career

She is performing 1,,2,3 days apart and sometimes 2 days in a row and i dont get why she can do that in Vegas but not on a word tour

[freemymindARTPOP 2,455]

1 hour ago, MrG1087 said:

Why would it be on par with a past tour? It’s a residency, not a tour. Even other acts like Janet and Britney have had tours that are 20 times better than a Vegas Residency.

At the end of the day, this is her career. She can preach love, equality and kindness but she’s also a business woman. She has to make a living somehow. She didn’t venture into a shallow, country basic pop star. Joanne and ASIB were anything but pure country; and I live in a state where people love country music. Joanne and ASIB are far from that. She did something different on various occasions and even ASIB had the pop influences with Heal Me, Hair Body Face and Why Did You Do That?

well to go from TFM, BTW and AP to songs like The Cure is a downgrade imo. 

Also yes its a residency but she is using 2 years of her career on it and to be wasting (imo) 2 years of your career in your early 30s at a not up to par residency in Vegas is just a money making move or well atleast in my opinion

[Daylight Jokers 14,958]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

Joanne is not raw

That's more subjective than it is objective tbh.

[ShayCristoforo 10,607]

It's weird that she feels a sense of embarrassment almost, for being freaky and different.
In the past, she told ppl to celebrate those differences, so it seems ironic.

I think she's just second guessing herself. We're all realizing that she has the raw talent and dedication to win over the world, without wild tactics. So maybe she's upset with herself for going over the top and jeopardizing her mind/body.

But from what I gather from this thread/many threads, she helps us all with a sense of belonging. Whether extra or simple, she's still our Lady.   

[DonnieDarko 10,186]

2 hours ago, freemymindARTPOP said:

to all the people defending Enigma, Enigma is not on par with her previous tours and you know that

It just seems kinda fake to give up everything she had been saying for 5 years to use 2-3 years of your career in a marketing gig in Las Vegas. 

Im not saying Gaga is fake, but the fact that she gave up everything she had been saying for 5 years to go the country shallow basic popstar route is kinda sad

But TBH Gaga predicted all of this

 

 

2 hours ago, freemymindARTPOP said:

also that she has been saying for so long that the way she dresses is who she is and that she wouldn’t dress any other way just to wear blonde hair, croptops and booty denim shorts is just so 

 

1 hour ago, LGs LM said:

Believe it or not, Lady Gaga is a human being. Shocking, but that's the truth.

 

[Jed 7,716]

A big part is Gaga fans aren’t ready to grow up yet themselves. She’s growing up she’s changing and moving on while a lot of you want her to continue doing things she did ten years ago whether she wants that or not. It’s not that you JUST miss when she was young and beautiful you miss when YOU were young and beautiful and maybe if Gaga makes music like that again you’ll feel like you did back then. But she won’t, and you won’t. And another ten years will go by and you’ll wonder why you’re spending your life clamoring for someone to do what they don’t want to do just so you can trick yourself into thinking your eleven again. We’ve had a really long time to embrace that she’s probably not going to be that kind of pop star anymore. Frankly we’ve known for Almost five years Now so it’s time to change your expectations or just prepare for another five years of disappointment. 

[Bio 23,538]

1 hour ago, freemymindARTPOP said:

well to go from TFM, BTW & AP to songs like The Cure is a downgrade

And i get that she needs to rest her body and i totally understand that, but it just feels like she is stuck in Vegas and at a young point in her career

She is performing 1,,2,3 days apart and sometimes 2 days in a row and i dont get why she can do that in Vegas but not on a word tour

Enigma: 38 shows in one year

ArtRave: 79 shows in six months

You really don’t see the difference? It’s not realistic in terms of logistics and costs to spread out the shows that much in a world tour. Also, in Vegas, Gaga is just by her home in case something bad happens. With access to the best doctors, her doctors. Not to mention how much exhausting it is to travel from place to place and living in a bus for 6 months.

[Mister G 10,430]

So much disdain for Joanne on here. That albums Grammy nominations and the win for the Piano Version of the title track suggest that people don’t think it’s a weak album.

@Jed @Bio You both speak the truth. Would have quoted you but that would have flooded this thread unnecessarily 

[Sarah H 3,687]

6 minutes ago, Bio said:

Enigma: 38 shows in one year

ArtRave: 79 shows in six months

You really don’t see the difference? It’s not realistic in terms of logistics and costs to spread out the shows that much in a world tour. Also, in Vegas, Gaga is just by her home in case something bad happens. With access to the best doctors, her doctors. Not to mention how much exhausting it is to travel from place to place and living in a bus for 6 months.

This! There is a huge difference in staying in Vegas vs travelling the world with a tour! I can't imagine her doing that again. Not a big tour anyway. 

[Ronk 14,762]

21 hours ago, derpmonster said:

I mean Gaga is one of the artists that do that the least. You know people grow and change and it's inevitable. Artists often feel like they have to stay true to an older version of themselves for the public. Look at Miley Cyrus. Tip: if you ever run into her, don't tell her Party In The USA is your favorite song.

Even during the Joanne era where she could've changed the most, she served Lady Gaga with the Super Bowl and even in the actual Joanne World Tour. She never stops performing her old songs. And I don't mean JUST JD, PF, BTW. But other less successful ones too. Even deep cuts like Bloody Mary or fan faves like Scheiße.

I'm happy she can balance where she is currently with her legacy. 

People who dismiss the JWT did not see it live, they just assumed it was not great.  She served.  An interesting thing about the concert I attended is that she mentioned she was living with pain from fibro when she was reading fan mail onstage.    The next day she was hospitalized due to her fibro and she had to cancel concerts.  You know she had to be in pain during that concert, but look how she hid it during her performance.   A real trooper who doesn't want to let her fans down by not giving it her all onstage.  Doctors tell her she has to take it easy, but she won't listen until she breaks.  Five minutes from my seat at that concert:

 

[moonboywow 3,136]

Artists shouldn't have to tour after each album they release anyway. 

[derpmonster 22,412]

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

Same with C2C. She had the chance to dive deep with her song selection, hell, maybe even write her own jazz album, but she went for the "let's just sing an easy-on-the-ear jazz standard at every talk show in the States, dress up like a jazz diva and have a party" route that secured commercial success more than any real artistic effort She made a pastiche out of it despite offering some amazing performances which, because of the way she presented that era, went almost completely unnoticed.

Do you know these songs? Her arrangements are significantly different. And I don't mean just moving around notes within the given instrumental. The instrumentals are different, they have different beat structures.

You have a narrative about her and you're twisting facts to fit that narrative.