Whom Do You Currently Support?!

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37 minutes ago, freemymindARTPOP said:

im not from the US, but from Europe

and I just wanted to ask if anybody unbiased could explain where Sanders and Warren dissagree as I think, I haven't really been following all of this, I support those 2

Many ideas are simmilar but also a few differences

 

Simmilarities:

- Both want a wealth tax on extreme wealth but Bernie's is higher. Warren's caps at 6% Bernie's is 8%

- Both support helping student debt

- I think both want free tuition (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

- Both want to reverse Trump's Corporate tax cuts back to 35% plus raise them beyond that but Bernie's is more significant because Warren only wants to add a 7% profit tax on top of the general reversal while Bernie wants to cut most loopholes which overall would be a bigger effective hike

 

Differences:

 

- Warren wants to expand Medicare while Bernie wants a single payer system

- Bernie is more pro military cuts Warren not really

 

There's a lot of details tho

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42 minutes ago, freemymindARTPOP said:

im not from the US, but from Europe

and I just wanted to ask if anybody unbiased could explain where Sanders and Warren dissagree as I think, I haven't really been following all of this, I support those 2

From the good sis @AndyDWUW :

On 11/8/2019 at 8:55 PM, AndyDWUW said:

Why do you prefer Warren? 🤔 genuinely interested (not trying to be offensive), but I have some lengthy receipts and reasons she is not a good choice (when it comes to Bernie vs Warren). See below:

 

Not warren

flip flops on medicare for all. Called it a framework. She will keep Private insurance in mental health, is mental health not important enough to avoid companies profitting off of it? Her daughter’s company merged with a big private insurance company, so she has a personal stake in keeping private insurances alive. (Her bill does not state single payer, it requires immigration reform and taxing billionaires which is impossible, both of which are super hars to pass. Her bill has a HUGE LOOPHOLE, companies  will be motivated employers to hire independent contractors and to stay below 50 employees (they won’t be required to provide medicare to their employees in those circumstances, that is how Americans will pay the cost for this)

Israel - signed a letter to obama to veto any UN resolution that condemned israel’s illegal settlement enterprise. She defended israel when they bombed gaza

Voted in favor of trump’s military budget twice. Nearly $1 trillion for military, to bomb middle east, kill people

No plan to deal with medical debt

A lot of her policies like student debt (which she wont cancel entirely) are Means-tested for a lot of her policies which is not good bc its not fair, this creates envy and bureaucracy w all diff numbers. It will be considered “wellfare” and be stigmatized and be striken down.

Did not endorse bernie in 2016, who she aligns to most. Instead she stayed on the sidelines and did not have the courage to stand up to the establishment elites (Hillary), this shows she doesn’t do what’s right - but rather what’s politically SAFE.

Was a Republican, identified as a native american! Lied for years to advance her career! This is extremely problematic. She took jobs meant for NATIVE AMERICANS with affirmative action employers.

No solidarity with dakota access pipeline (bernie actively protested with them). Only when it was too late and  taken over with defeat did she speak up (too little too late and fake)

No banning lobbying, just taxing wtf. Lobbying is literally legal bribery. She took lobbyists money literally LAST YEAR for her senate campaign and transferred $10million in corrupt money from her senate race and transferred it to her presidential race. I call that HYPOCRISY.

Denounced big money now but literally taking it in the general election and also using $10 million  from senate campaign to presidential campaign (deceitful). She will take millionaires’ money and do their bidding and be just like Obama.

Raised money for raytheon (military industrial complex). She’s the typical pro-war democrat, not progressive at all when it comes to foreign policy. She will keep american imperialism alive.

Actively courting the manipultive DNC elites, when she’s supposedly a “big structural change” candidate, she is kissing up to the status-quo players 

Talking w Hillary Clinton behind closed doors. The mother of the DNC, wall street lover, status-quo lover. 

Opportunistic (unlike bernie who he fought for the same ideas for 40 yrs), she only takes up policies once they are politically safe - not when its just simply the right thing to do.

Media loves her bc she is no threat to their establishment and power.

Will not support primary challengers to democrat colleagues- shes a team player (this is extremely disappointing and worrisome, if she won’t challenge or fight within her own party especially those against mexicare for all or anything, the most important laws will not be passed). Bernie openly expressed he would hold rallies at democratic elites’ home states to pressure them to support his bill (Medicare for All, Green New Deal, etc). That is the only way we grt change, by pressuring these bad democrats with social pressure from their constituents, and the other thing Bernie would do is support their democratic challengers in their election cycle.

Half the country is living pay check to pay check and under her drug pricing Americans will be required to pay $6,000 a year for drugs, while Bernie’s cap is only $200 a year.

Lied about why she left public school teaching (visibly pregnant vs the fact that she didnt have the proper credentials for a permanent position)

Less individual donors (bernie has more donors in counties that went from obama to trump)

Warren will not:

end at will employmentNot diverse (rich white elite)

Have a Plan to double union membership (which would aid wage disparities) 

ban on fracking

Tax the wealthy enough (just 3%)

Warren Used every trick of the book to minimize payments to women who were getting money for breast implants that were faulty and caused autoimmune diseases. Warren sold women out for big corporations. Dow corning https://www.washingtonpost.com

Like HRC, Warren was a Republican turned Democrat.

Like HRC, Warren calls herself progressive while supporting Republican military budgets.  

Like HRC, Warren lies about her personal experiences to appear like a victim.

Seems that in the 90s "Progressive" Liz Warren helped a mining company fight in SCOTUS against a congressional requirement that it pay millions of dollars into a fund for its retired coal miners’ health care.

Since Bill Clinton's presidency, the interests of the managerial class have dominated within the Democratic Party. That's why welfare was ended, NAFTA was passed and unions were allowed to die on the vine. That's why, as Karp points out, the supposed "party of the people" now represents 20 of the wealthiest counties in the country. Sanders alone represents a break from that direction of the Democratic Party, which combines the economic interests of the professional class with enough "woke" virtue-signaling to keep working-class, minority voters from drifting away. It's the kind of politics that allows Warren to make her gender pronouns clear but not her health care plan. 

Warren's coalition points to a doubling down of the professional-class coalition within the Democratic Party. That means more sidelining of the working class, more embracing the tastes and priorities of wealthy liberals, more of the white, working-class finding a home in the racist populism of the right. 

This is just what is required to challenge the power of the ultrarich: a politics that does not treat lower-income voters as a kind of passive supplement for professional liberals, but one that can put the new working class itself at the center of the action.

A choice to center the working class

True leadership isn't picking the winning side just before the election, the way that Warren did when she decided to endorse Hillary Clinton in June 2016

True leadership isnt picking whats politically savvy or favorable

Warren focuses on regulation- hoping that a few good people will do well in a system that has always failed but the whole system is corrupt it needs to be torn down

 

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10 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said:

From the good sis @AndyDWUW :

 

i think i support bernie  like i did in 2016 

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11 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said:

From the good sis @AndyDWUW :

 

It's 6% now

And she did say she wanted to end fracking

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12 minutes ago, Economy said:

Many ideas are simmilar but also a few differences

 

Similarities:

- Both want a wealth tax on extreme wealth but Bernie's is higher. Warren's caps at 6% Bernie's is 8%

- Both support helping student debt

- I think both want free tuition (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

- Both want to reverse Trump's Corporate tax cuts back to 35% plus raise them beyond that but Bernie's is more significant because Warren only wants to add a 7% profit tax on top of the general reversal while Bernie wants to cut most loopholes which overall would be a bigger effective hike

 

Differences:

 

- Warren wants to expand Medicare while Bernie wants a single payer system

- Bernie is more pro military cuts Warren not really

 

There's a lot of details tho

Not really.

1) Warren also wants a single payer system, "Medicare for All", but she believes that we need to make a highly successful public option first,  while alleviating costs in the meantime, then pass "Medicare For All" (the bill written by Bernie) in her 3rd year, so she's advocating a 7 year transition process instead of 4 years, but she does believe we need to have a single-payer, universal health care system.

2) Not a big deal, but  "Medicare For All" is a massive expansion of Medicare, that's why its called "Medicare For All"

Idk why Warren is so flakey on military cuts, her rhetoric seems to suggest she would cut it, but her voting record has been mixed - she has voted to expand it several times even in recent years - I believe she has sometimes offered reasons for her support, other times not. I expect this is the issue that makes her seem amenable to donors and Obama-Clinton centric insiders and that's why she's a bit hesitant on this  Just a guess though.

 

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1 hour ago, Halsey said:

Our shot at failed neoliberal policies and an insincere, failed attempt to capture some of the key Democratic voter blocs. 

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7 minutes ago, March34th said:

Jagmeet Singh

He's from my city

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11 minutes ago, derpmonster said:

Our shot at failed neoliberal policies and an insincere, failed attempt to capture some of the key Democratic voter blocs. 

You seem to forget the tremendously strong economy under Bill Clinton

Uneducated. America thrives on competition, not Scandinavian socialism

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9 minutes ago, Halsey said:

You seem to forget the tremendously strong economy under Bill Clinton

Uneducated. America thrives on competition, not Scandinavian socialism

I only partially agree

 

Capitalism created a lot of innovation and growth but things in modern society last few decades has changed in a few ways that growth no longer trickles down to middle class as it once did

 

We need a little redistribution now

 

I do think Bernie goes too far tho

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5 minutes ago, Halsey said:

You seem to forget the tremendously strong economy under Bill Clinton

Uneducated. America thrives on competition, not Scandinavian socialism

You seem to forget the 2007 economic collapse that occurred as a result of unchecked, unregulated capitalism started with Reagan (which is really what Bill's boost came from). 

Stocks mean NOTHING as an economic marker because the reality is that since the 80s, wealth and income inequality are at an all time high, socioeconomic mobility at an all time low, drug prices off the roof, and people who can't afford live saving medication or education despite how well tHe EcOnOmY is theoretically doing. Wake up. 

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1 hour ago, Economy said:

It's 6% now

And she did say she wanted to end fracking

That list is slightly out of date since Warren keeps changing her policies. Most of it is still accurate though 

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The fact that Yang should be the highest, but isn’t, the disrespect. 

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29 minutes ago, Halsey said:

You seem to forget the tremendously strong economy under Bill Clinton

Uneducated. America thrives on competition, not Scandinavian socialism

Pete Buttigieg correctly identifying Neoliberalism below!

If you'd like to show that people have not ultimately suffered under Neoliberalism in the last 40 years, or rather want to offer anything about Pete Buttigieg's donors, rhetoric, policies themselves, and worldview that is not just Neoliberalism as well, I'd be happy to consider it  

 

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It's Biden, Bernie or Pete. I will support any and all. But I pick Pete. For now. That might change.