Post Debate (Buttigieg makes gains)

[Morphine Prince 110,049]

Something I forgot to add onto my last post @Whispering

"When it comes to the prospect of a gay president, the numbers right now are sobering for Buttigieg: Polling suggests that the country was more ready for a black president back in 2008 than it is for a gay president now. And last month, the current iteration of the question of readiness became front-page news when a leaked memo revealed focus groups commissioned by the Buttigieg campaign suggested his sexuality could be “a barrier” for black voters in at least South Carolina, the crucial fourth nominating contest—and a bellwether for the party’s more socially conservative voters."

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/11/20/buttigieg-gay-electability-071369

 

[Whispering 18,865]

7 minutes ago, Lilmonzter said:

Ok 

But I don't think it's in American interest to send troops anywhere to spread freedom or destroy drug cartels.

 If Mexico was specifically asking us for it, I guess it's alright.

But what he's alluding to is a hypothetical.

Where America has gone to in the past of its own volition like Iraq, have not turned out quite well.

But I dont understand why another country wouldn't  directly contact the UN for help. I mean use the right channels.

Between do you think the Mexicans would welcome a foreign military inside their country to fight their wars?, non interventionist policy is what Tulsi is vouching for and I agree with her.

Despite preferring Bernie Sanders for democratic presidential nominee, I would vote for Pete if it comes between him and the orange Mussolini.

He didn’t say he would send troops to fight drug cartels or to spread freedom.He specifically added that it was only if American lives were on the line and in a partnership role with Mexico. He later added that it would be a last resort option, after all other options had failed.

These specifics are not an interventionist policy.

And Tulsi has Russian talking points and I hope Bernie stays far away from her! 

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10 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Something I forgot to add onto my last post @Whispering

"When it comes to the prospect of a gay president, the numbers right now are sobering for Buttigieg: Polling suggests that the country was more ready for a black president back in 2008 than it is for a gay president now. And last month, the current iteration of the question of readiness became front-page news when a leaked memo revealed focus groups commissioned by the Buttigieg campaign suggested his sexuality could be “a barrier” for black voters in at least South Carolina, the crucial fourth nominating contest—and a bellwether for the party’s more socially conservative voters."

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/11/20/buttigieg-gay-electability-071369

 

“...15 percent of independents and 8 percent of Democrats.” say they aren’t ready for a female president. 

There is Hillary’s election loss...and any other woman on the current stage. That’s all it takes. 

I guess the US is going to have to stick with white, straight guys for a couple of more decades. 

[Morphine Prince 110,049]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

“...15 percent of independents and 8 percent of Democrats.” say they aren’t ready for a female president. 

There is Hillary’s election loss...and any other woman on the current stage. That’s all it takes. 

I guess the US is going to have to stick with white, straight guys for a couple of more decades. 

Those are larger numbers than for a gay president  The fact Pete’s campaign is discussing this is significant. 

But that’s the least of his worries with virtually no support among black voters.

 

[Lilmonzter 2,864]

9 minutes ago, Whispering said:

He didn’t say he would send troops to fight drug cartels or to spread freedom.He specifically added that it was only if American lives were on the line and in a partnership role with Mexico. He later added that it would be a last resort option, after all other options had failed.

These specifics are not an interventionist policy.

And Tulsi has Russian talking points and I hope Bernie stays far away from her! 

Russian talking points?

please don't Hillary Clinton Tulsi, she is a veteran! You claim that she is a Russian asset without any substantive proof. 

I agree if American lives are on the line maybe we should take measures.

but I don't think anyone would be able to go toe to toe with trump other than Bernie, he has a solid record. Pete and Warren have skeletons in their closets

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1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said:

Those are larger numbers than for a gay president  The fact Pete’s campaign is discussing this is significant. 

But that’s the least of his worries with virtually no support among black voters.

 

Yes, it is discouraging. Someone has to be the first to pave the way.

Also discouraging is that only 49% of American men say they would feel very comfortable with a woman as head of the government. 

Black voters need time and relationships. Bernie has improved greatly since four years ago. Warren’s numbers are increasing. Pete will have to spend more time and resources on down the line, whenever that time comes. 

[Morphine Prince 110,049]

6 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Yes, it is discouraging. Someone has to be the first to pave the way.

Also discouraging is that only 49% of American men say they would feel very comfortable with a woman as head of the government. 

Black voters need time and relationships. Bernie has improved greatly since four years ago. Warren’s numbers are increasing. Pete will have to spend more time and resources on down the line, whenever that time comes. 

If he wins one of the early primaries it could also boost him among different groups. We never know, at this same time in 2007 Obama didn’t stand a chance! 

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3 minutes ago, Lilmonzter said:

Russian talking points?

please don't Hillary Clinton Tulsi, she is a veteran! You claim that she is a Russian asset without any substantive proof. 

I agree if American lives are on the line maybe we should take measures.

but I don't think anyone would be able to go toe to toe with trump other than Bernie, he has a solid record. Pete and Warren have skeletons in their closets

Michael Moore agreed with these sentiments expressed last night on MSNBC. I’m agreeing with Michael Moore, not Hillary. 

Don't put words in my mouth. I said she has Russian talking points, not that she is a Russian asset. 

Everyone has skeletons in their closet. Don’t think that the Russians haven’t been raiding the emails of every viable candidate on that stage for years. They have phone calls, emails and texts...especially from people that were running back in 2015 and anyone that looks like a threat. 

Trump, the GOP and the Russians are going to play dirty with anyone that is the nominee. Our own DOJ is compromised. Between election interference, voter suppression and the President being allowed to break laws, no one is on any kind of equal footing! No one is standing toe to toe. 

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3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

If he wins one of the early primaries it could also boost him among different groups. We never know, at this same time in 2007 Obama didn’t stand a chance! 

Possibly, as AA are typically pragmatic voters, but they are very apprehensive and worried this cycle. (With good reason!)  They do seem to be sticking with Biden. He will at least get SC and pick up some other Southern States. 

The VP picks may make a difference for some groups later on. Maybe Oprah will be someone’s VP. Lol, jk! 

[Lilmonzter 2,864]

2 hours ago, Whispering said:

Michael Moore agreed with these sentiments expressed last night on MSNBC. I’m agreeing with Michael Moore, not Hillary. 

Don't put words in my mouth. I said she has Russian talking points, not that she is a Russian asset. 

Everyone has skeletons in their closet. Don’t think that the Russians haven’t been raiding the emails of every viable candidate on that stage for years. They have phone calls, emails and texts...especially from people that were running back in 2015 and anyone that looks like a threat. 

Trump, the GOP and the Russians are going to play dirty with anyone that is the nominee. Our own DOJ is compromised. Between election interference, voter suppression and the President being allowed to break laws, no one is on any kind of equal footing! No one is standing toe to toe. 

Yeah I agree 

And WaPo and MSNBC did a terrible hosting business 

trump and impeachment swallowed a lot of time in the discussion and there was no questions asked about race relations which is a very important topic considering where they were. 

[Guillaume Hamon 7,057]

Out of the people who follow the democratic campaign he's still fresh to many people who don't know much about him yet...

If he ever gets the nomination, he gonna have many skeletons in his closet suddenly discussed everywhere and then we'll see if he can remain high in polls. Because of that he's more of a time bomb than other candidates.

[KleinGa 18,177]

14 hours ago, Lilmonzter said:

But I dont understand why another country wouldn't  directly contact the UN for help. I mean use the right channels.

UN help = foreign government help.

UN sends peace keepers that are not in any sense equipped to handle any sort of serious violence/ conflict

Peace keepers are comprised of a mixture of foreign government's armies who contribute a certain number of soldiers to the force. The US is the largest contributing body and therefore, has the largest say. In many senses, UN peacekeeping is an extension of the US army. 

Additionally, peacekeeping forces are dispatched in very specific cases and are extremely limited.