ANVEEROY 61,269 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said: Yes, screw her argument cuz... she's british - best refutation I've ever seen... Honestly, if you're british, you're automatically racist imo, prove me wrong No, I didn't say that person is racist. We still are suffering from the colonization; I just don't want to get lectured about the problems, which are majorly caused by the colonizers. We have many British allies still apologize for the catastrophe they have created. Look at Kashmir - bloodshed. Look at Pakistan-India. Stream Kylie-Janet Discographies! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBEY 57,109 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Bambino said: What has SHE done for him? He's already pretty big though. Shawn was Taylor’s opening act on one of her tours before he made it big. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,903 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Anveeroy said: You didn't get the reference, don't you. Honestly, I am not surprised. Bye-Bye! You're just referring to a general title system of a bygone age, similar to lord and lady. You're essentially saying "the days of white colonialism are gone." I know what you're saying, I'm not stupid. You're not attempting to engage with or refute anything I've said, just made baseless platitudes and buzzwords because you have no solid argument to respond with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,476 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Just now, Anveeroy said: No, I didn't say that person is racist. We still suffering from the colonization; I just don't want to get lectured about the problems, which are caused by the colonizers. We have many British allies still apologize for the catastrophe they have created. Look at Kashmir - bloodshed. Look at Pakistan-India. You do realize that you're dumping this frustration on people who have NOTHING to do with it, right? You're not talking to royalty from the 16th century here, you're conversing with your average schmos working crappy jobs so they can afford to rent a crappy overpriced studio and eat their f*cking noodles... And when said schmo says 'overpriviledged white boy' lable is annoying cuz it hardly applies to them, you try and hold them accountable for colonialism? Yeah, ok, I'll be sure to reflect onto what people I have no connection to did to India while I work my overtime night shift so I can afford to live a life barely worth living, douchebag It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANVEEROY 61,269 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said: You do realize that you're dumping this frustration on people who have NOTHING to do with it, right? You're not talking to royalty from the 16th century here, you're conversing with your average schmos working crappy jobs so they can afford to rent a crappy overpriced studio and eat their f*cking noodles... And when said schmo says 'overpriviledged white boy' lable is annoying cuz it hardly applies to them, you try and hold them accountable for colonialism? Yeah, ok, I'll be sure to reflect onto what people I have no connection to did to India while I work my overtime night shift so I can afford to live a life barely worth living, douchebag Sure. More power to your worth living. Stream Kylie-Janet Discographies! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANVEEROY 61,269 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: You're just referring to a general title system of a bygone age, similar to lord and lady. You're essentially saying "the days of white colonialism are gone." I know what you're saying, I'm not stupid. You're not attempting to engage with or refute anything I've said, just made baseless platitudes and buzzwords because you have no solid argument to respond with. There is no way I can proceed this conversation, if you don't acknowledge Imperialism. You don't have to. Have a nice weekend. Stream Kylie-Janet Discographies! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Racism is not simply believing one race is superior to the other. A dictionary definition of racism oversimplifies it to make a complex structure and system more comprehensible. The reality is that racism is a SYSTEM in which one group is advantaged and benefits from privileges relative to a group that is oppressed. And in ways that the group that benefits doesn't even realize. It's built into the social fabric so that systematically people of the privileged group don't have to see how they are at an advantage but nevertheless are. It's far more complex than "hating Black people" and the basic ways most people like to think of it is. One way of thinking about it is looking at the US criminal justice system. Black people make up a minority of the US population and yet they represent a majority of the population in prison, a majority of people stopped by police, a majority of people charged, etc. Furthermore, all racial groups use drugs at equal levels, yet Black people in the US are charged and thrown into prison for drug usage far more than whites in the US. THAT is what racism is. It's systemic, it's institutional. Just because you don't see it or don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and it certainly doesn't mean racism against white people is a thing. Theoretically, yes, racism against white people could be a thing. Fundamentally, it's just one group systemically oppressed relative to a group who is privileged. But the way this society is set up and institutionalized, it's not a thing. When things happen to white people based on race, that's prejudice, discrimination or stereotyping. All of these things play a role in racism, but is not racism itself. Many of you need to actually take the time to study what racism actually is. Because if you did you would realize why racism against white people in the Western, capitalist context is simply not a thing. That doesn't mean people can't have attitudes where they don't like white people, or that white people can't be attacked due to their race. But these things are not what racism is all about. It's far larger and systemic than that.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,903 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Anveeroy said: There is no way I can proceed this conversation, if you don't acknowledge Imperialism. You don't have to. Have a nice weekend. I acknowledge everything that happened in the past. But I'm not responsible for it. Why should I apologise for it anymore than you should apologise for any atrocities your ancestors did? My ancestors were mistreated too, just in different ways. I come from a long line of poor people, working class all the way, living in the worst condition of slums. To act as if someone like me is in some way representative of anything bad that happened to your people is ludicrous. The normal people of a country don't do anything bad to foreign countries. It's the governments and royalty who do the bad things, the actual citizens who make up the bulk of a country are usually against this. The majority of Britain didn't want us to go to war with Iraq but our prime minister did it anyway, we weren't even allowed to vote on it. Yet, Britain has been made feel bad ever since for a choice that one man made that was in no way representative of the millions living in the country. I don't judge a country's beliefs by the choices its government makes, I judge it by the choices its citizens make. 3 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said: Racism is not simply believing one race is superior to the other. A dictionary definition of racism oversimplifies it to make a complex structure and system more comprehensible. The reality is that racism is a SYSTEM in which one group is advantaged and benefits from privileges relative to a group that is oppressed. And in ways that the group that benefits doesn't even realize. It's built into the social fabric so that systematically people of the privileged group don't have to see how they are at an advantage but nevertheless are. It's far more complex than "hating Black people" and the basic ways most people like to think of it is. One way of thinking about it is looking at the US criminal justice system. Black people make up a minority of the US population and yet they represent a majority of the population in prison, a majority of people stopped by police, a majority of people charged, etc. Furthermore, all racial groups use drugs at equal levels, yet Black people in the US are charged and thrown into prison for drug usage far more than whites in the US. THAT is what racism is. It's systemic, it's institutional. Just because you don't see it or don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and it certainly doesn't mean racism against white people is a thing. Theoretically, yes, racism against white people could be a thing. Fundamentally, it's just one group systemically oppressed relative to a group who is privileged. But the way this society is set up and institutionalized, it's not a thing. When things happen to white people based on race, that's prejudice, discrimination or stereotyping. All of these things play a role in racism, but is not racism itself. Many of you need to actually take the time to study what racism actually is. Because if you did you would realize why racism against white people in the Western, capitalist context is simply not a thing. That doesn't mean people can't have attitudes where they don't like white people, or that white people can't be attacked due to their race. But these things are not what racism is all about. It's far larger and systemic than that.. You really don't need to keep explaining this. We've heard it so many times, it doesn't matter how much you try to re-word it. No matter what way you try to put it down, it doesn't change the fact that you think that whites are somehow not allowed into this conversation, that their feelings don't matter quite as much. That's not equality. It's not equal if there's exceptions. I really hope the dictionary never changes its all-encompassing definition of racism because it will become a very dangerous world if we start to operate under the belief that white people cannot experience racism and there is no official definition to use to argue otherwise. Look, I'm a feminist woman and I believe men can experience sexism. Plenty of people disagree with me on this one which really shows what the aim is with the modern definition of "tolerance." Intolerance disguised as tolerance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 32,787 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 This thread went from lame and boring to messy and entertaining. Thank you, GGD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: I acknowledge everything that happened in the past. But I'm not responsible for it. Why should I apologise for it anymore than you should apologise for any atrocities your ancestors did? My ancestors were mistreated too, just in different ways. I come from a long line of poor people, working class all the way, living in the worst condition of slums. To act as if someone like me is in some way representative of anything bad that happened to your people is ludicrous. The normal people of a country don't do anything bad to foreign countries. It's the governments and royalty who do the bad things, the actual citizens who make up the bulk of a country are usually against this. The majority of Britain didn't want us to go to war with Iraq but our prime minister did it anyway, we weren't even allowed to vote on it. Yet, Britain has been made feel bad ever since for a choice that one man made that was in no way representative of the millions living in the country. I don't judge a country's beliefs by the choices its government makes, I judge it by the choices its citizens make. You really don't need to keep explaining this. We've heard it so many times, it doesn't matter how much you try to re-word it. No matter what way you try to put it down, it doesn't change the fact that you think that whites are somehow not allowed into this conversation, that their feelings don't matter quite as much. That's not equality. It's not equal if there's exceptions. I really hope the dictionary never changes its all-encompassing definition of racism because it will become a very dangerous world if we start to operate under the belief that white people cannot experience racism and there is no official definition to use to argue otherwise. Look, I'm a feminist woman and I believe men can experience sexism. Plenty of people disagree with me on this one which really shows what the aim is with the modern definition of "tolerance." Intolerance disguised as tolerance. Oh please. What makes you think you get to assume my race? I'm white, for your information, and for chriss sake even I can acknowledge the privilege I have as a white person and that people of color live a different experience and life from my own. Do you fear for your life when in interaction with the police, or have to take pause with such interactions? No. I know not what this is like, whereas that is simply not the case for people of color in the US, and Black men in particular. They are constantly beaten, overreacted to and even murdered by the police in the US when they posed no threat and did absolutely nothing wrong. Many were in their own homes, and minding their own business. And the fact that you disregarded the reality of the US criminal justice system and examples that I demonstrated for how this is the case really shows all we need to know about your misguided and inaccurate opinion of the reality of life in the US. Thank you NEXT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterBall13 1,217 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 6 hours ago, RAMROD said: Only Shawnsters will feel attacked from dis. Cry me a river, bish! She done so much for you and this is how you pay her back?!? That’s her Payola lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentyGa 14,340 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 he’s a cowardly rat and we’ve seen this several times. same thing can be said for taylor’s other friends who are all keeping silent. we see you, selena. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabbitHeart 795 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Doot said: I personally didn't call it reverse racism. I called it racism. Because that is what it is. Every single person involved in this (orhestrated) Taylor issue is white. There was no reason for that Twitter user to bring up Shawn's ethnicity. Wasn't relevant or necessary. They are basing his lack of public comment as negative and equating that to his race. That's textbook racism. alwhite, this is an interesting caucasian take to have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 32,787 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, FentyGa11 said: he’s a cowardly rat and we’ve seen this several times. same thing can be said for taylor’s other friends who are all keeping silent. we see you, selena. You think people are “rats” because they didn’t tweet support for Taylor? Even tho we don’t know anything about their private lives and for all we know they hit her up to support her? Lol wow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentyGa 14,340 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, ALGAYDO said: You think people are “rats” because they didn’t tweet support for Taylor? Even tho we don’t know anything about their private lives and for all we know they hit her up to support her? Lol wow ok first of all become familiar with stan terminology before you come for me secondly, the only useful thing you can do in this situation is bring awareness so what’s your point actually dont answer that bc i rly cant be bothered and i wont read it anyway lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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